Simple hotwire rail band tool

Haavard,

I think you should better explain how you’ve tied together the tapered rail band (a la planer) with

a simple hot-wire through the use of the marked line on the deck. This is NOT the same as just

cutting a bevel down the rail.

IMO, and I’m supposed to know a little about this stuff, this is a technique that can help planer-averse

DIY’ers achieve much truer deck roll and rail volume/foil with a minimum of fuss.

For those that haven’t read it already, make sure you read the Barnfield rail-band thread that Haavard

referenced in his first post. You have to understand that before you can see what Haavard’s doing here.

Hi Mike,

I’ll see if I can make a short video soon showing some test cuts. Or maybe I have to make those fungun profile templates first.

regards,

Håvard

Haavard, what type of wire do you use and where did you get it from?

Hi,

I’ve used a 0.6mm hotwire wire from the hardware store. Honestly I don’t know why they sell it, one of those odd thing I can get around here. I also have a 1mm wire I got from an electronics store, but I have not tested it yet.

Thanks Haavard.

But, what wire can I use if my local hardware stores don’t carry hotwire wire. What do others use?

Since I finally got around to the rail bands on my next board I figured I could try and explain a little better how this thing works. So:

Step 1: Print out or draw how you want your rail to look like at center and nose and tail(1’ marks). Measure the angle of the wire against the ‘bed’ of the hotwire tool. Use this angle to figure out how deep you can make your first cut. Mark it on the drawings and measure the distance from the rail of your square blank to where it intersects the deck on the square blank. Do this for center, nose and tail. (Note that I have cut the outline 1/2" inboard of the final dimensions to allow for balsa rails and measure accordingly).

Step 2: Measure out and mark on the blank the measurements from your drawings. Find a outline template longer than the template for your board, a rocker template or a batten and connect the dots with a nice smooth line. This is where I messed up this time, the design I had made in boardcad did not add up, the only way to connect the dots would be to make kind of a waist in the center of the railband(anyone do this???). I’ll blame this ever so slightly on the straighter outline of the longboard, much easier to connect the dots on a shorter, more curvy outline. Anyway, I abandoned my drawings and just made the railband look smooth with a slightly thicker rail in the center. You can see on the pic where I made my markings (and adjusted them…) and the line for the edge of the railband on the left side(right already cut).

Step 3: The hotwire cutter rests on the flat surface of the blank so it rests securely. It cuts at the same angle every time without requiring a steady hand. (Shown on a scrap piece of EPS as I didn’t want to do the stop and go to take photos on my board)

Step 4: Follow the line

Step 5: Remove scraps and you have a railband. Clean it up with some sandpaper on a hard block if you have wobbles. You want a smooth railband before the next step.

Step 6: Mark out the next railband on your drawings and measure them. Mark the measurements on the cut surface of the first railband. Connect the dots. Cut with the bead of the hotwire railband tool resting flat on the first railband. I’m sorry I don’t have any photos of this as I just layed down the outline template where it would look nice and marked it due to my poorly designed crosssections. After the cut of the second railband it should look something like this.

Step 7: Blend the railbands and clean up with some sandpaper. In my case I just run a hard block over the ridges and will do final shaping when the balsa rails are on. Board is also getting a deck concave.

The result is fairly symetric, smooth rails that I could not possibly do with a planer with my (lack of) skills with powerplaner. I also timed a cut this time, the 8’ I cut (ends blended with sandpaper) took ~4 minutes, quite acceptable given the amount of material removed.

Hope this explanation helps a bit.

regards,

Håvard

Very nice. Clever. I would have gone a much more complicated route. And been sorry.

Do you have any trouble on the second rail band keeping the wood flat against the band? such a narrow surface to work with.

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Very nice. Clever. I would have gone a much more complicated route. And been sorry.

Do you have any trouble on the second rail band keeping the wood flat against the band? such a narrow surface to work with.

I started out making one with all kinds of adjustability and cutting three rail bands in one go… Very bad idea, glad I ended up with what I’ve got now. Very easy to build and works well.

Of course the tool rests more steady on the top of the square blank then on a railband. However, the first band is in my case ~3" in the center so it’s quite wide and steady. Where the bands narrow to ~1" wide you get a bit of a seasaw feeling, but you can control it well by holding the tool with both hands.

Hi Haavard -

Yes, anyone who has tried to shape a rectangular cross section block of EPS knows that a LOT of planing is required to get anything close to what would be considered “close tolerance” as with molded blanks.

Hot wiring a long wedge, even if imperfect, is a slick way to go to get the basic rail taper. As you show, it is quick and easy to get the basic shape and then block sand everything smooth.

I just purchased two paddleboard blanks by Ken Ebert through Pau Hana and expect to be hot wiring some rails soon.

good one haarvard

heres a similar sketch i gave to schuwz a while ago

its for working out the rail cuts allowing for the skins as well

its not quite accurate as it shows the 2nd cut finish at the outline which is not correct

the 2nd cut finishes at the tangent intersection

i like the hotwire tool

i guess it would be hard to cut with a hotwire if you had perimeter stringers

The Planner is faster according to Jim Holis of Holis designs.

Looks like a cool concept through?

yeah the planer is faster and the surform

but this gives a handy disposable piece of foam instead of small beads which blow around in the wind if not disposed in decent bags

i use a planer and vac and tie my bags well

but haarvards method would enable the foam slices to be recycled

I like that rail band sketch,

I have been looking for one of these to guide me.

You say there are errors on it and consequently find it hard to decipher and follow.

there are two rail curves shown, in addition there are two

vertical lines, one outside and touching the rail and an

inner one which I am not sure why it is there or

what guides its placement in the sketch?

Sure would like to look at the cleaned up version of this

and hopefully with a little instruction.

Thanks

From that perpective your right. Guess I need to start separating the foam dust.

If you do 7 PU per day and only 3 EPS you need to clean out your dust collection system between production runs to separate the two materials.

Then you have to store the bags of EPS scraps. Who will come and get them? Or where do you take them?

What is the cost for this type of control? Man hours? Waste management?

I’m open to ideals! Shouldn’t this cost me added to price of the finished board?

EPS beads can be mixed into garden soil. Low impact and great for gardening!

HI Surfding. Some eps suppliers will take clean offcuts and recycle

heyta otis

that scketch is to show how to allow for composite skins and perimeter stringers

same principal to design a rail

use a rail tool with the little pins and get your radius

get some paper

then you draw the horizontal lines which indicate your blank thickness

thena vertical line which is you outline

the you use the rail measureing tool and layout the rail radius

then draw in your overall desired deck dome

then just the two tangents that intersect

that will give you your final measurements

ie the rail hight at the outline and the 2 points for both bands

the spot where the two tangents intersect is the point where the 2nd rail band ends

this is very acaurate way to reproduce a rail you like

the hight point measurement is in the thickest part of the board obviously

but if you make a marking guage with a dark soft pencil

you can run the guage along the deck side and it will mark a perfect tapered line

along the rail to shape your first cut too

i havent got access to eps recylcers

at the mo im just using sturdy bag for the lanfill im afraid

but i do reuse the offcuts for stuff and give some away

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i havent got access to eps recylcers

Here it’s kind of the other way around. If there is some kind of trash in your garbage bin that’s supposed to be recycled you trash may not be removed (if you’re lucky you’ll get away with a warning). Same thing if you take it to the dumpsite, there will be people watching to ensure that you recycle.

I’m lucky enough to have a small ‘recycling station’ nearby. It’s basically big container that take glass, metal, plastics and styrofoam so I take the offcuts there.