Hey beerfan, Jim Phillips and I are different, and my way of doing things is a bit different. Now that doesn’t mean I don’t have total respect for the man and his amazing skills. Some of the stuff I have seen him doing on the hill beats the hell out of anything I have ever done. Funny thing I just say it how I think it is and never put my real name out there, because I really don’t care if anyone ever knows who I am. I am comfortable enough to have the G-rat as my alter-ego. You may have one instructor who believes: “it all about building your self esteem”, but another may just tell you what he thinks is the the truth: “Get it together, because its what your doing sucks.” And both believe their doing it the best way. Anyway, this place gets boring and I like to stir things up. I love it when JP, BB, Huey or GL puts it out here, even when I disagree with them from time to time.
Anyways you guys have fun, I am going to sleep now at the old folks home with my hot looking full size templates. And mclampted, I would have done the same thing if I was you with LC’s templates, but since I am not I would have went over and got my laminate trimmer and went and bought a piece of tempered hardboard and really copied his templates you jack…
Pound sand …Jack. By the way , I will be coming for your lunch money.
I didn’t copy LC’s templates. He came over and taught me how he makes templates. I copied templates brought to the Thrailkill seminar in San Clemente. Butcher paper is what I had in my truck. I use in to cover the floors of the jobs I build. I’m a contractor. Of course you would do it differently, you are a surfboard shaper. And a condesending punk ass.
A simple question on template dimensions turns in to this pissing match?! AHAHAHAAA!
I think Ghetto’s comments were fair in relation to the debate and very helpfull, a bad spin template can easily result in a bump in the middle of your board, as can a badly placed spin template, bent stringers and spin templates can F you up too, I’ve learnt through trial and error but still feel like I know very little haha!
Cheers for the tip ghetto.
I think it’s one thing for Ghetto’s ego to jump out and say your all wrong due to his time and knowledge spent in the industry but it’s just as bad if not worse for your ego’s to justify themselves by name calling and putting people down.
Take it easy. Good tip, do whatever you want.
Great stuff..great thread.
I need a big favor from all that have posted so far......
The next time a new guy posts.....A guy that wants to save the shaping world with all his awesome computer designs......
Maybe you guys can send that guy back to this thread.....I blend curves....I make "one off" boards...I see surfboards full size not 8 1/2" x 11".......a spin template is a blend.....a curve is a curve. And water does not care................
Hey marsh, I think you get it; especially, adding what happens with a spin template on a bent stringer! If all you got is butcher paper, or a small piece of MDF, by all means use it, but a full template is better, even for adjusting. Yeah there is some ego on this end, but that comes from already making that mistake. It can baffle the mind some of the stuff people believe and say around here. If someone believes their way is better I am always open to learning and change, yet its better to prove an argument through example than threats of violence, for its only the internet, and who’s he going to find anyway a ghettorat? Part of the whole exercise and central to my argument is making templates is fun! Man it tears my heart to hear of the poor aspiring shaper’s who can’t afford a full template, or their going to do a one off- not!
Like the discourse, but love the drama…
Hey Fellas, author of the original post here!
First off, WOW!!!
You guys need to lay off the Dick Swinging Contest!
I'm an amateur, I've shaped 7 count em' 7 boards!
I grew up in an Art College, I know what a curve is!
I can use a French Curve!!!
Each Board I've Shaped, I've used a different technique.
(Battens, Plotting, Tracing, and God forbid I copied one!!)
Next one, I wanted to try a spin template!
I know nothing about them!!
That's what I thought this forum was for
was to ask questions and to get a little advise
from someone who might know more than I do!
I'm not stealing anything!
I'm not in production!
I shape in my gargage!
I LOVE SHAPING!!
Back to the original question:
Can you use a spin template for a 5'10" squash to make a 5'8" squash and so forth?
PS. I know there will be a bump!!
Thanks for nothing!!
I think you can use a spin template for a 5’10" squash to make a 5’8" squash. I would agree with ghettorat that you would be better served to use a full template. I like you have only shaped 7 boards. I have posted pics. here, and they all suck having bumps and dips all over them. I would also agree that it is important to make sure your stringer is straight. I have seen shapers much better than myself use a chalk line to do this.
Look, I don’t think I’m Al Merrick. I’m just a guy that built a shaping room in a garage. I have built 7 surfboards in that garage that all look like crap, but when I ride them I smile. Each 1 has come out a little better than the last. If all you have is a spin template and you want to make a 5’8" squash then just do it and have fun.
Hey mclamped sorry if I hurt your feelings. Have fun, and enjoy your work. I know I sound like ass, because I have been told it a few times before; even I think i do, so thats why I post a GR. I wish I knew house construction better, and some day I will be a “Jack of all trades”, and you’ll have to talk to my kids about the lunch money. Feel free to disagree, or agree with me on anything. And I agree with you about the 5’8’’ to make a 5’10’’ out of a spin template. Just make sure its a good template. At some point if you guys take my advice and make a bunch of templates you’ll be thankful you did. Still its only advice.
Thanks ghettorat. My feelings did get hurt. I guess I’m just a sensitive little twirp. But I responded by saying things that were way out of line and for that I too am very sorry.
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Back to the original question:
Can you use a spin template for a 5'10" squash to make a 5'8" squash and so forth?
PS. I know there will be a bump!! [/quote]
Per the original question; Yes.
Per the post script; Not always. Depends on how great the difference in the dimensions.
Thank you! Mr. Thrailkill!
Obviously you as a legend,
Understand simple questions
deserve simple answers! Without
all the elementary school drama!
I might use a spin, or I might not!
It was only a question, and my father
taught me, if you don’t ask, you will
never learn.
Is it OK to PM you if I have a question
to skip all the bullshit?
Thanks again!
[quote="$1"] ...Is it OK to PM you if I have a question... [/quote]
Yes.
Actually… if I know I’m going to use the same spin template for different sized boards, I make it a bigger template and step it down, not the other way around. But I’m a garage hack and nobody ever taught me how to do it the right way. I make the bigger template, then roll out a big sheet of red rosin paper, strike a stringer line, and start matching up curves and making marks. I’ll make marks with a little pointed Sharpie, or even cut notches. I only use masonite… I cant’ deal with louan because the endgrain and splintering drives me nuts. Another key is to carry your template curves past the wide point… as it’s been said already. I do mine about 4 to 6 inches longer, and mark the different widepoints and endpoints.
But IMHO, easier to make a smaller board from a bigger template than a bigger board from a smaller template, as long as your staying within reasonable changes in length, like Bill said.
I’m not even considering calling you out on whether you know better than most here…
I’m just surprised you knew Plato !!!
Now that’s your most impressive name drop yet!!..LOFL…")
Are you really that old ??? Huuuuh… No wonder you’re so experienced…
Do you even consider switching on your humble-check app. while proof reading what you write here, before you spew???
Well I learned something, I think. I sounds like a “spin” template is made to line up to itself… like if you took a full template cut it in half at the wide point/center, then take and line up the tips with the rail sides opposite each other.
My question has always been, other than one’s own aesthetic sense, why do people think a bump/dip in the out line makes a board no good?
I’ll write it again - I’ve ridden perfect looking production boards that sucked for me, and bumpy dinged up POS that were magic.
Have fun.
Thanks, that makes sense to go larger to smaller
@Taylor- I’m with you, they are magic because I’m
happy I’m the one who shaped them! And I have a sanding
block to take care of any bumps!
And to you other guys, lighten up I thought this was
supposed to be fun!
Who gives a shit, how we do it, as long as we ride
them and have fun! Do you remember FUN???
Hey T/O
The other nice thing about a spin template is the way you can use the same template to manipulate differences in board length and more often nose and tail width and arcs…Within reason as Bill T. mentioned above regarding the 5’8" to 5’10" adjustability of a spin template…
Full sized (length) full or half templates make width , length and arc changes harder to do using one template…Not impossible, but slower…
As far as bumps and dips go…
I’ve never really liked a hpsb with exaggerated hips which are nothing more than intentional bumps and flat spots (imho) when you really think about it…