Now plese under no circumstances get me wrong…I do not condone violence of any kind.
That said there was violence here and it was not welcome. Was Sunny to blame???, only a very few people know the truth and the factual matrix behind the headlines, least of all the press, who sell their propaganda 24/7.
Do the press and those with baited breath ever get a better target than Sunny. If the dude farted in public his historians would say he rubbed shit into babies faces until they suffocated.
Anybody heard that pipe masters champion Jeremy Flores has just as many, if not more charges to face over this than Sunny. And lets hear from some serious heavyweights of big bucks surfing royalty who just happenned to be in the water at the time and had been dropped in on and totally burnt by this , so called skinny innocent kid…poor liitle baby was set upon by a Hawaiian monster and known criminal, makes Mike Tyson sound like an angel.
So before you judge Sunny …THIS TIME…just pause for a moment and dig a bit deeper and wait until "the crew’ who really witnessed what happened…no bias, no favouritism, no media hype…get to have their say. If at that point Sunny is what he is portrayed to be, he should be punished and publicaly denounced by his peers. Until then and without first hand eye witness accounts as I have, try to refrain from cheap judgement lest you create such an injustice that sunny and others may see you as biggotted f#@kwits and be goaded into violence agaist you because of prejudice and ignorance.
I dont think a choke hold from behind and pushing the guys head underwater is justified except in a life or death struggle with no other options. And what about Sunny kicking the guy with a camera to the ground ? Thats got to be a great thing for kids and families to see on a day at the beach ? What a hero....
Im sure The Duke would be proud.
After all the Australian football scandals of drunken attacks on people and constant stupidity involving cars, speeding , drugs, pooing in hotel corridors, glassings and inapropriate behaviour towards women, Ive banned my grandkids from playing any code where they cant maintain a half decent code of conduct. Sportmen and women are role models, they accept the money and the glory and some of their behaviour would land lesser mortals behind bars.
Surfing isnt like that, well it wasnt, and part of its beauty is that its physical, challanging, but non contact.
Next thing you know, kids will be carrying knives into the surf.....
Is the original post some sort of veiled threat? I'm confused. You don't condone violence in the beginning but then make a criptic threat at the end. Please clarify.
From my perspective everybody in that vid is in the wrong..
Violence is never an appropriate action.
The only time violence is appropriate is when you are threatened for your life or bodily harm. And only then. Sorry someone yelling at your kid, wife or dog doesn't qualify that response.
Then and only then you take appropriate steps and action to rectify the situation. Each situation demands different steps and actions. But the end result is to get away as quickly as possible with the least amount of damage inflicted.
I saw none of that. Wouldn't it be great if the World was a slightly kinder place, and we didn't have to discuss these things adnausem.
Teach your kids martial arts, the first thing they teach you is to avoid conflict at all cost, then if you have to defend yourself, do it so it ends as quickly as possible.
If I saw my kid being beat up by 3 other kids of course I would step up, but if it was one on one I would let em fight for a while. Now if it was a grown man twice the size of my kid and my kid was not kicking his ass then isn't this abuse??? Maybe a gunshot in the air would do the trick...
What will it take for people to understand that fighting is either for the ring or for after school at the school yard... oh wait, kids also have guns these days... not the 80's anymore...
Just asume everyone is crazy and or has been in the war and actually have killed people before, and possibly have PTSD and is a gun collector and/or was probably a SEAL sharp shooter with a lot of government friends or just some crazy atheist gang member, or hey just the average psycho with a couple of bodies in the fridge. Asume this of everyone and I am sure more people would avoid fights.
It is amazing how it hasn't happened before, but men... you guys are civilized, here in this hell(as in Dante's) of an island I live in, people will just shoot you for spilling their drink at a bar or looking at their girl, hell I even heard of people getting shot for a parking space!!!! This sort of crap is in the news every day in Puerto Rico. 982 murders last year!
Violence is scary, what will it take for beach fights to stop, someone getting shot... please we don't want that and I am sure someday it will happen.
The point trying to be made (go to jail, do not pass go, if you got it wrong) was that most violence is a reaction by some sort of trigger that in the mind of the violater (is that a word?? but you know what I mean) is a justified response to the trigger.
My point is that it is possibly triggering more violence by commenting about them and making accusations based on what is very likely a media beat up that does not portray the vital behind the news reality.
That said…for most of us sitting back turning on the news, nothing justifies violence…but that is what makes up 75% of the news. So there must be millions of people in this world who see violence as a response to a trigger… is it the answer? was it justified? did it solve the problem? and so on. I would personally answer no, no and no. But the violater (there is that word again) obviously could tell you all day long a story that answered yes, yes,yes…or even…no ,yes, yes.
So the point is…making comments that accuse and judge Sunny without knowing all the facts and circumstances is only providing possible further triggers in many peoples minds. Leave it to those who are handling the investigation to cast judgement and the likes of Sunny will have to work answer to the question posed in their own mind.
I have heard a first hand eye witness account of the whole incident moments after it all went down and the story has a lot more to it than the images shown (which I agree are ugly and appear as thuggery). questions arise however when one hears the account such as …was the victim on the screen the really victim or the trigger? what happened at the showers when the so called innocent camera man got pummelled…was he another innocent victim or another trigger puller?
If there is one thing that will come out of it…be very care full to keep your finger of the triggers of life, lest you inadvertantly generate a violent explosion in the minds of those who see the answers as yes, yes and yes.
put down the knife dude…I SAID, PUT DOWN THE KNIFE DUDE !!..BANG BANG BANG
Your Honor…he had a knife, what was I to do?
Rocky (geez i better change my name …it reeks of violence and Mr Balboa might take offence
I think we should give sonny a break. Its obvious from the footage that the offender, all 65kg of him, was inflicting some serious damage to sonny, i mean, you can tell he was a bad mofo by the way sonny was throwing him around like a doll. Please, lets lighten up on sonny. Poor guy's had a hard life, had to work as a surfer all those years, tax free some of the time too. We should let him do whatever he wants.
No excuse … whatever the reasoning … violence begets violence. And poor Sunny, people are watching his every move? Join the club, it’s the 21st century … everybody is being watched. Do something stupid and your gonna get called on it. Was violence the ONLY solution? Of course not … guess he should have picked another. He will fortunately or unfortunately pay for this. He made at least an unwise choice. He’s had 20 years in the public eye … he should know by now how it works … he should know better. No excuse what so ever.
This thread is not intended to excuse violence or even sunny for that matter.
It was posted to ask swayer to not pass judgement before knowing the facts and then what ever position you take will be an informed one, not one bred from a news beat up or prejudice.
I think Sunny would be the first to admit he wished this event did not occur.
By all means let’s take a stand against violence and learn from what happenned not fuel the fire.
It seems from some of the comments made that people assume :
The incident was between the skinny kid and Sunny
Sunny was surfing when the incident occurred
That Sunny bullied some poor defenceless local kid
That Sunny then went nuts a beat up an innocent camera man
That Sunny is a violent Hawaiian looking for trouble and who would belt anyone for no reason
That because the images show a big guy hitting a small guy, that it must be the big guy who is in the wrong no matter what
There are many more points to make but unless you know or have evidence that the above points are true, then you are pissing in the wind in passing such outright damning judgement, which is a form of violence in its own right and sounds in damages for defamation under most legal systems.
Lets see some posts that tell the whole story of who was involved, who started it, why violence was involved and not just as some one suggested 'the ol stink eye". This then would lead to a learning process for all to see that every story has two sides.
The thread title says "THE REAL STORY". The only facts are the footage so far. You say you know someone who was there. Maybe you should outline what might have happened to cause that reaction. If you know, say, otherwise its just footage of a big bloke thumping a small bloke, with another skinny bloke hiding behind the big bloke doing the thumping.
Good call, and I will do my best to answer as it shows that from your earlier post you might be interested in hearing more of the story.
The reason I have not posted as yet what I know is because I was not there and what I know is from an extremely unbiased eyewitness, but is still hearsay when coming from me. I was hoping some swayers who were there can post the REAL STORY.
Firstly if you see my earlier post with six points posed. To help get the ball rolling, from my source the truthful answer to all those questions is a resounding NO…that now begs more questions and enquiry into wht the f#%k really went down to endup with Sunny belting a skinny kid?
All eyewitness accounts are welcom or points of legitimate question answered to the best of Detective Rocky’s ability.
My first post was a piss take obviously, i just keep expecting the other version to come out. Keen to hear it. He may have had troubles, but there's a good chance something happened to provoke such a strong reaction. Anyway, keen to hear the other side.
Sunny made a choice … a bad choice. This is obvious. That’s the only judgement. He made a bad choice for Sunny … not for the kid in the video … and right or wrong he will pay for it in the end. Sunny is the one who ultimately be hurt by the choice he made. There’s a lesson here. Violence is a last, last, last resort. Someone who is in the public eye for as long as he has been should know.