super hydrophobic coating

speed is required to do allot of things…

to boost

to blast by 25 yard long sections about to close out

to carving the deepest rail inserted roundhouse you can so you can go up into the foamball or destroy the foamball before it destroys you.

all to extend the length of the ride laterally versus vertically 

it needs to be something that you can call upon at a whim when its needed

otherwise everyone might as well just surf straight like they did in the days of old (damn those side shooting hotcurl guys)

probably could fit allot more guys on a wave though

but going through the pack with 10 guys heading straight in 5 feet from each other could be hilarious 

just like it was before when men were men i guess

Just because I say that reason tells me that “release” has limited application when you want to be plugged in to the power source, don’t get me wrong, I love speed.  I don’t think we would be surfers if we didn’t. Like somebody said, to the extent the release can be controlled, it can be a good thing.

And I do like the look of that dimpled skin, and I have to believe that experimenting with the surface texture and finish is a valid path of inquiry.  I always thought Jick Bottoms looked and sounded kinda intriguing, which is probably the low tech cousin of a hydrophobic surface. 

In the final analysis, I think surfboard design (shape) is probably more relevant to performance than surface refinements, but every factor is relevant to some extent, obviously.

Despite a skepticism of advertising hype, I have nothing against striving for improvements - its nice when people can try to keep an open mind to innovation and creativity, whether its a Thrailkill twin-gle fin, a Ryan Burch finless, a George Gall asymetrical, Jick bottoms, a reversable board with fins at each end, a Fat Pelican surfboard, a pickle fork Gemini, a Rob Machado board-eat-board, or a textured hydrophobic finish.

Some of these appeal to me personally, some not so much, but each has pushed the envelope in some way, and each has its merits to somebody out there.  Shoot, while we debate the pros and cons of surface improvements, the future might really belong to Surfoils’ hydroplane surfboards that ride above the wave!

I don’t think “progress” occurs in a linear fashion, I think its multi-directional and highly subjective.  Which is why I like to say, to each his own, there’s lots of room for personal preference in the lineup, and manipulating the variables and options in surfboard design is part of the fun.  =)

Yeah I don’t know if it’ll work or not. only one way to find out. maybe it’ll be good in smaller surf and not a good idea in big stuff. I’ll have to try it when I get some time

hi

Anyone tried On It Pro Xtreme Cream?. Seems to promote a  similar approch to water not  clinging to a surface and is used on boats ,kayaks SUP’s, and surfboards

cheers

Mpcutback 

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okay

so the hydrophobic spray can can’t be shipped to Hawaii but I was able to buy a bunch of those one use pack of this Griswold stuff.

Sure looks like the old bottom coat cleaner I used to get from Surfco before they stopped selling it years ago.

So I’ll give this Griswold stuff a try and when I get to San Diego I’ll try and pick up some cans of this hyrdrophobic spray which I really want to spray on these tarps we use at home here in Hawaii as well as inside our rain gutters themselves to help keep them clean and dry. Oh yeah gonna try it on a board or two too especially my super flat bottom griffins and my super concave Alexander Gemini’s

Just bought some of these  “nor’easter” treated blue jeans from LL Bean the other week and they seem to have the same type of coating. Pretty neat to spill a can of soda on your pants and watch it just bead up and fall off. Seems like you could due the same to surf shorts/shirts/wetsuits and hats to stay as dry(and warm) as you can. Better than Gortex in the Northwest

BTW that whole golf ball bottom stuff was done decades ago by those two brothers in Haleiwa the Macnamara(sp?) brothers used to ride them when they were pups

 

MIke D

Is that Soric filler under the cloth to give it that texture?

seems like that what the composite folks used as a bulker agent inplace of cloth 

we used to get the same effect from my bamboo weave wall covering which I always thought was bad and needed to sand smooth.

maybe we should just leave it rough and vac bag glass it with all the divets and all. (my own personal instant jick/jet bottom)

man we were so far ahead of the curve with nature’s carbon fiber crap we used as hack boys instead of balsa planks.

looks just like this tech-net cloth everyone is using 'cept its just 1/2 inch bamboo strips woven at 45 degree biaxial angles.

too funny…

 

and here I am trying struggling to figure out how to get my hands on this new cork,technet cloth, texalium glass and some carbon fiber tape for my future builds when I can go down to home depot and get some 10mil wall covering for $30 a sheet.

I was gone for a week and just caught up on this thread.  Enhancing speed is certainly the result of design, materials and experience.  The final finish of the surface of surfboards/SUP is worth some focus, so it’s good to see this discussion and we’re all learning from it.  I just wanted to add the note that SNP as a final finish does not deteriorate, but it smoothes the surface at the molecular level without adding any polish or shine.  Only abbrasion takes it off.  Laminar flow is enhanced, but as we know, extra polish does not add speed to an already clean surface.  The video of Ultra Ever Dry shows what SNP does.  Using it, or the hydrophyllic alternative, can enhance most surfaces, but on fabric there is a need to re-appy and it gets expensive.  On an epoxy or PU surfboard, it costs about $6 to $8 retail and re-application is not needed unless abbrasion takes some of it off many months later.  Supplying generic information is the best way to share the facts, not some hype, so that makes it worthwhile for me.

…that makes sense…thx

I’d wax the bottom of my board with a complete bar of soap if not two
as well as paint the bottom of my board with a super thinned out resin
coat mixed with a couple bottles of crushed alkaseltzer tablets. Then
per Tom’s instruction, you lightly sand the bottom after paddling out to
expose your rocket propellant fuel and take off on a thin layer of
bubbles.

 

Hahaha Ohh man… I actually laughed out loud at this one.  Nice.  The idiocy of the endeavor paints a great picture.

 

I’ve used Meguiar’s auto detailing sprays on the bottom of my boards, water beads and rolls off, but can’t really say I’ve noticed much difference in the water.

Nice detail, Mike. How are you golf-balling your boards? If you ding a rail will you surf a slice?

If i were to use this stuff, i’d use it to coat my bucket(s), squeegees and other production equipment… i wonder if this would work on sandpaper and prevent it from clogging up…