…‘Gatordave’, ‘teamzep’…are you watching this ?? …I think you guys may be interested in this TOO, eh ?
Zo… I’d LOVE to do a board swap with you , if you ever come here !!
I can’t wait to hear how it will go as a 'stubbie with just a single keel ’ ? [ I’ve been wanting to try that setup for a few months now !]
…I REALLY need to make a finbox one for mine…did you see 'oneula’s glass-on one from the 70’s ? THAT’S probably the sort of thing I’ll have a go at making some time …
and is it too far forward for a single keel ? [ie : how far is the tip of the keel swept back from the base…or, IS it ?? ]
The keels I'll make will be different 'apexes' relative to the trailing base edge. [did you see the shot in the 'single keel' thread , from a while ago ? ...a few DIFFERENT ones in the 'quiver shot' there , for sure !]
Obviously, with that extra plug BEHIND the box , too, you can ride it as an ‘inline’ single, a 2 + 1 setup , a thruster, or of course, twinny , quad, or five fin [ ? with canted bonzer mini runners, too ?]
endless combos = endless fun !
ben
keep up the experimenting…
p.p.s - any idea what the extra weight will be [can you weigh it pre- box cutting, then maybe after all the fins and boxes [5] are in ? just for future reference, and to give us an idea , too ? Thanks mate… it could be a good 'box / plug and fin weight ’ resource entry, perhaps ?]
My keel isn’t like those in the pics with th apex @ mid point or similar… I did some quick archive searchin, but its 0344 hrs and the resin droplets on my shoes are tellin me to go to bed but i’ll answer some Q’s before I hit the rack…
how long is that fins unlimited box ?
- 10.5", it should give me alot of options for fin placement, with modification of fins.
is it too far forward for a single keel ?
i don’t know that’s why I am experimenting… trailing edge of fin should be no more than 7" from tail of board as it also overlaps the future box that will be behind the FU Box ( Center) I haven’t done this setup before so I’m just slammin finboxes in everywhere so I can figure it out… and allow for Infinite options…
how far is the tip of the keel swept back from the base?
-tip of keel is pretty much at trailing edge of fin. see crappy attached drawing…
any idea what the extra weight will be [can you weigh it pre- box cutting, then maybe after all the fins and boxes [5] are in ? just for future reference, and to give us an idea , too ?
-I couldn’t tell you as the board has just been hot coated and it wouldn’t be a correct representation of a weight difference if I weighed it now…I still have to install FU box & sand in addition I don’t have an accurate enough scale at home ( where I sand) ( I glass at work shape / sand @ home)
take it sleazy!!!
off to bed to count " ZEDS" as you say?
I’ll let you know how it goes thouigh
heres a bad paint draw of the fin…from memory( i don’t have er with me)
" My keel isn’t like those in the pics with the apex @ mid point or similar… I did some quick archive searchin, but its 0344 hrs and the resin droplets on my shoes are tellin me to go to bed but i’ll answer some Q’s before I hit the rack… … trailing edge of fin should be no more than 7" from tail of board as it also overlaps the future box that will be behind the FU Box ( Center) I haven’t done this setup before so I’m just slammin finboxes in everywhere so I can figure it out… and allow for Infinite options…
how far is the tip of the keel swept back from the base?
-tip of keel is pretty much at trailing edge of fin. …heres a bad paint drawing of the fin…from memory ( i don’t have ‘er with me) " Okay… here’s a few more, zo motion player… did a bit of an archive search meself, ol’ chine, ‘while you were sleeping’… Duck’s c.1973 model, from Bob Cooper’s at Coffs Harbour… And, Oneula’s…hope ya don’t mind, mate…I want to have a bash at making something similar !
thanks for posting that fin shot…gives me a good idea of the outline. Is it a fairly thick fin ?
What size waves will you be riding it in ? And … sucky, or fat waves, mainly ? [ ie: reef / point breaks, or beachies ?]
I’d definately give it a try on its own. [ And maybe, take a small bag of side fins to the beach with you too, so you can add them if it feels a bit slidey. ]
I remember, from that ‘Surfer’ mag single keel article, that some of the keels were up to 8" deep !! They WERE being used on 7’ - 8’6" really pinny guns, at big Bells and Winkipop originally, though…so, different designs / ? intentions? to what we are looking at with our “stubbies”, perhaps!
This is only MY personal experience, but I’ve found with a wider tailed ‘Stubbie’, a deeper fin with a slightly ‘wider’ base , has helped hold the tail in , in the absence of thruster front fins. [Six of my boards are single fins, remember. And all my ‘other’ boards, except one [glassed on] twinny have the “multi fins” option… ie: front plugs, back fin box.]
Some ‘mini keels’ of a similar shape to your single keel could be an interesting starting point for experiments ! [I’ve ridden a " three keel setup" on my fish a couple of times now]
ben
p.s. I also like these side ones, and setup too… [with thanks to Dick Van Straalen’s website]
here’s a diamond tail with a single keel which Andy , a friend of Lucas and Gil’s, has. [I’ve never actually MET Andy, but have been in contact with him for a year or two now, and he has some different boards !] I always enjoy having a chat with him about boards from the 60s and 70s he has !
According to what he wrote on the back of the photo, this one is 5’11 x 19 x 3" , a Pat Morgan …
DON"T GET ME STARTED!!!! I Don't " NEED TO FIT IN", Surfing is my ZOLOFT>>> no offense taken...
I mainly ride a pointbreak, but I don’t design with that in mind… I try and keep all my boards well rounded to conditions… with the exception of my mini guns…
I am Gonna sand right now and I’ll post pics in 2-3hrs on the fins all setup and rearin to go.
Thanks for the updates… I was thinkin the keel wouldn’t work too well in too big a surf.
Here the question I was gonna ask before I got started, but I didn’t and I went with it…
What would it be like to setup that keel fin as an assymetrical??? with a quad cluster on the opposite side. I was thinkin it woulld be cool down the line… also with what I have setup already, could I put another box in for assymetrical setup using the existing sides as the complementing fin…?
Just brainstorming chip, you seem to be the man to share these thoughts with!!!
Sorry buddy…you lost me there, with the opposite sides, existing side and complimenting fin ??
Perhaps if you could scan a drawing of what you intended ?
cheers…
ben
…just on the [‘symmetrical’] “quad” setup, though, those four ‘plugs’ ARE pretty close together…I wonder if it would almost be worth putting in an fcs or whatever plug further back, and closer to the rail ? …just my .00002
hey Ben, i tried that board of Andrew’s once, not ideal conditions but it was enough for me to know i didn’t like it. it felt really weird. maybe if i rode it a lot for long enough i would have gotten used to it and enjoyed it, it may have even become my favourite board, but i don’t get to surf enough to go through that. i know what i like and it wasn’t that.
didn’t Wayne Lynch surf those things almost exclusively in the 70’s for a few years? that would explain the Bells and Winki connection.
i should add that Andrew actually liked the board, but then again he thought the red blob was ok too.
Andy , when I spoke to him last night, seemed fairly keen for me to have that board, when I mentioned I’d swap the 'Wilderness S-deck hull ’ for one of his boards
[I, however, had the M.P. shaped Joe Larkin “stubbie” in mind , not that diamond tail or the 'red blob ']
*** note to self…post the 'red blob ’ on sways for ALL the world to see !
…maybe in that ‘funky tail’ [‘assymetrical’] thread ? ***
ben
yep, Luke… as well as Wayne Lynch, Nat Young ALSO rode the single keel . In the movie / video / d.v.d [now] “Crystal Voyager”…THAT keel Nat has is absolutely MASSSIVE !!! [ Mind you , that board he is riding it on is pretty long and spear-like , too !]
