Anyone tried this ?
SS2000BF Epoxy Resin / Hardener Set
Super Blush Free -Gloss Resin
1 to 1 mixture
http://surfsource.net/Manufacturing/Resin%20Accessories/resinandaccessories.htm
Results ?
i avoid SurfSource whenever possible
Hey Soulstice,
What is the deal with SurfSource? I get the bad vibe throughout Swaylocks on them. They seem to have some of the best prices around though.
Thanks,
WM
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their prices aren’t that great. both Fiberglass Florida and Atlantic Surf Materials have better prices on just about everything. they just don’t have user-friendly websites like SurfSource does. i go to FF or ASM for whatever i need, except for epoxy resin…go straight to Resin Research for that.
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why the bad vibes for SurfSource?? – because you get what you give. the guy who owns SurfSource is a libelous ripoff artist…
[indent]a) take a look at the “Standard Fin Boxes”…remind you at all of ProBox (a system that Swaylockers everywhere know and love)? he ripped off the design and install, but took out the adjustability so that it is restricted to FCS fins only. my guess is that he wasn’t making a high enough profit margin on FCS plugs, and liked the easy install of ProBox plus the fact that it already accepts FCS fins with no adjustment necessary.
b) next, take a look at the “SurfSource Sanding Control Pads”. now the description reads “Economy but durable - 5/8 female thread”. that’s a far cry from what it used to say – something to the effect of “SurfSource pads are far better than any other pad out there…especially PowerPads. We’ve received numerous complaints recently about how PowerPads completely fall apart after only very little use. That’s why we developed these pads, which are much stronger, won’t fall apart like PowerPads do, and cost a lot less, too!”. Hmmm…to steal a line from the boss man in “Super Troopers”…i’ll believe THAT when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet! it’s one thing to compete on price; it’s something else entirely to make up blatant lies to badmouth the competition. PowerPads are the industry standard, they’re VERY well made, and they can last for YEARS.
[/indent]in summary, if you need…
- epoxy resin...go to Resin Research
- polyester resin or fiberglass...go to FF or ASM
- fin boxes or sanding pads...go to Larry Allison at Fibre Glas Fin Co. he is the 'go-to' guy for fin boxes (ProBox or 10.5" center boxes) and PowerPads (and he makes some darn nice fins, too!)
- note: PowerPads are a great product, but they are a bit pricey. if that's a concern for you, i'd like to suggest Ferro pads as a good lower-cost alternative. i just bought a couple from Keith Melville, and i imagine he has a few left to sell off.
I personally have never had a problem with them (SS). You can’t beat there price on glass… i picked up a 30 yd roll of 6 oz warp for about $65.
and on the topic of fin boxes… good for him. I wish i had the resources to start making my own hardware. His system seemed very easy to set angles with. A smart design IMHO. you cant beat wholesale prices.
If anything… i file my complaint with FF. I have had a couple blanks that were subpar… twisted or seriously dinged. Great people and service… but they gotta take care of their foam a little better.
FYI…buying by the roll…SurfSource is more expensive than other Florida distributors.
everyone has the resources to start making their own hardware. it’s called china. just give 'em a call. ask for “bill”. show him something that someone else designed/invented/produced, and he’ll have 5000 copies on your doorstep in 2 weeks. $5 more if you want happy ending.
for a long time, the blank market in Florida was ‘take what you can get’. blanks twisted and dinged?..work around it, or return them. your call. and probably more the result of inferior foam quality than poor handling.
Thanks for the info. I was’nt trying to “stir the pot” so to speak. Just wondered if anyone has used this so called “gloss” epoxy.
Yeah I’d be really into hearing about this Gloss Resin too. But I’m skeptical. If it worked you probably would have heard about it. I’ve been very unhappy with any results I’ve gotten from RR Epoxy Glossing. Sure it’s shiny but just doesn’t look pretty. What’s the point.
Rick, I like Fiber Glass Supply in Washington.
Thanks Soulstice (-:
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Sure it’s shiny but just doesn’t look pretty.
plenty of ways to get a good gloss with RR…you’re probably doing something wrong, or just not putting enough elbow grease into it (elbow grease is the #1 ingredient in getting a good gloss with ANY resin – epoxy or poly).
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Thanks Soulstice (-:
no need, larry…you’ve got nothing but top quality products, and what’s even more important is that you REALLY stand behind them! i’d never point anyone toward something i wouldn’t use myself, and being flat broke, i really look for the value in things. it’s all about finding the best balance between price and quality – because a higher price tag doesn’t necessarily mean better, and a lower price tag seldom means it’s less costly!
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their prices aren’t that great. both Fiberglass Florida and Atlantic Surf Materials have better prices on just about everything.
why the bad vibes for SurfSource?? – because you get what you give. the guy who owns SurfSource is a libelous ripoff artist…
[indent]a) take a look at the “Standard Fin Boxes”…
b) next, take a look at the “SurfSource Sanding Control Pads”. [/indent]
- i agree… if you buy from SS there is a $50 haz mat fee that goes along with that $130 5 gal bucket of resin… why???
i found resin five bucks cheaper at FF and get to goto the beach too 
its two bird with one stone and its all business (even when i’m surfing)
2)a… yeah, those things look like a pile of shit topped and lined with more shit
when i saw them, i didn’t like what i saw and never wanted to use them… and never will either
b) those pads are HORRIBLE!!! i own one… i should know… i used it a few times and it started tearing apart… if i had batterys for my camera (i’m not getting any because i’m half naked) i would take pictures for you and show you what i’m talking about
just order everything from FF or ASM
and FFs blanks are quality and low price… me likey licky
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their prices aren’t that great. both Fiberglass Florida and Atlantic Surf Materials have better prices on just about everything.
why the bad vibes for SurfSource?? – because you get what you give. the guy who owns SurfSource is a libelous ripoff artist…
[indent]a) take a look at the “Standard Fin Boxes”…
b) next, take a look at the “SurfSource Sanding Control Pads”. [/indent]
- i agree… if you buy from SS there is a $50 haz mat fee that goes along with that $130 5 gal bucket of resin… why???
i found resin five bucks cheaper at FF and get to goto the beach too
2)a… yeah, those things look like a pile of shit topped and lined with more shit
when i saw them, i didn’t like what i saw and never wanted to use them… and never will either
b) those pads are HORRIBLE!!! i own one… i should know… i used it a few times and it started tearing apart… if i had batterys for my camera (i’m not getting any because i’m half naked) i would take pictures for you and show you what i’m talking about
just order everything from FF or ASM
and FFs blanks are quality and low price… me likey licky
wow, where to start on this wacky thread? well in respect to the original topic use resin research, period. (if your smart enough to jump the poly ship), if you’re not getting good results its because you cant gloss so in that case…learn, now of course FF and ASM can give better prices than surf source, (you think toilet paper is cheaper at the gas station or at the supermarket), your talking about the two largest distibuters in FL vs. a small convenient wholesaler, if you want good prices start paying taxes so you can get wholesale, true the standard boxes suck and they are ugly but there has yet to be a logical explanation here, ive used them they suck because theres too much plastic surface area (i dont like to sand at 2mph and its really easy to get the plastic really hot if you dont go slow) the two brothers who own surf source are ripoff artists?, this is a ripoff industry and theres not enough money to go around (ive seen inserts by futures that will accept fcs in the boxes) talk about ripoff, if you’ve actually dealt with SS in person you’d not even mention the owners because everybody deals with fox (who is one of the nicest, most honest guys in this industry), true ,power pads are sick but ive got surf-source pads with hundred of boards on them (take care of your pads and learn how to sand properly), i wouldnt buy blanks from SS, FF, or ASM, if for some reason i want shape a poly i would get king mac from Tony at COS in Jax Beach, it the whitest lightest stuff you can get, other than that ill get off my ass and make them myself for less than $20 out of eps and anything the mind can think of, im not trying to fuel the fire or be a dick but ive had great experience with the guys from surfsource, you guys should buy from other locations because of $$$$/your own locations, but dont go trashing SS b/c in you lived in north florida youd be stoked on them and they would hook you up
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but dont go trashing SS b/c in you lived in north florida youd be stoked on them and they would hook you up
i have lived in north florida, and i have bought from SurfSource before. i’m not speaking without experience (albeit my own experiences with them). the way i see it, bad business practices are bad business practices, and despite the fact that i can get better prices elsewhere, i won’t give them my hard-earned dollars, just on principle.
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this is a ripoff industry and theres not enough money to go around
maybe in your eyes, but it doesn’t have to be. and what’s more, it shouldn’t be. consider matt calvani, and how he got into his current gig. it is possible to give credit where it’s due, and still make it on your own, if you’ve got the right stuff.
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(ive seen inserts by futures that will accept fcs in the boxes) talk about ripoff
that isn’t rip off at all. that’s adapting one system to accommodate fins from another. it’s still futures who gets paid on the box, and fcs who gets paid on the fins. what’s the problem with giving the end user the ability to use templates from both fin systems in the same box? on the other hand, the “standard” box from SurfSource is a blatant ripoff of the design and install developed by ProBox, and is then further-limited to only accept FCS fins. see the difference? do you need me to draw you a diagram?
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but ive got surf-source pads with hundred of boards on them (take care of your pads and learn how to sand properly)
the quality of SurfSource pads is irrelevant. the point is that SurfSource was initially bad-mouthing PowerPads to sell more of their own pads. and that’s not okay. it’s called libel…and it’s grounds for a civil suit (which will never be filed, because the damaged party is about as core as you can get in the surf industry, and would rather spend his days foiling fins than dealing with a bunch of prickish lawyers). can you comprehend that?
I have not used the SurfSource Epoxy gloss, but I have used their regular epoxy. It seemed to have the same characteristics as Resin Research, only it has a blueish tint to it - like polyester resin - before it hardens. I used Resin Research additive F with it also. Epoxy resin does not really polish up that well - some have gotten good results with a lot of work, but I dont think it ever comes out as good as polyester. You can use polyester as a hot coat/gloss coat if you sand the epoxy first really well - i use 40 grit to really dig into the epoxy to give a good tooth for the polyester to hold onto. With this method, I have not had any issues with bonding.
The Surf Source debate - they have been nothing but good to me since i started building my own boards. I second the vote for Fox as the nicest guy in the industry - He has always treated me like an important customer even when i was just buying a few things here and there.
On the downside - my last order i was buying blanks, resin, fins, everything in one shot - and it caused problems. They kept running out of one thing and when that item was available, something else on my order was now not available - it took a month to get to me with still some missing items. This was my first bad experience , but usually i ordered resin blanks and fins all from different sources. That being said, if you have a small order, Fox will get it together and ship it out the door that day and you will have it that week if you are on the east coast.
I dont know about the owners - never dealt with them - and never used their weird ‘ripoff’ products. I dont think their sanding pads are a ripoff. Power pads are great - but they were probably not lying about saying they had problems with quality - it is not uncommon to get a new power pad that wobbles. Their pads are constructed differently and they work great also. It not that big of a difference witch company makes the spinning piece of rubber - you can make one better than both your own self!
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Quote:Quote:the two brothers who own surf source are ripoff artists?, this is a ripoff industry and theres not enough money to go around (ive seen inserts by futures that will accept fcs in the boxes) talk about ripoff, if you’ve actually dealt with SS in person you’d not even mention the owners because everybody deals with fox (who is one of the nicest, most honest guys in this industry), true ,power pads are sick but ive got surf-source pads with hundred of boards on them (take care of your pads and learn how to sand properly), i wouldnt buy blanks from SS, FF, or ASM, if for some reason i want shape a poly i would get king mac from Tony at COS in Jax Beach, it the whitest lightest stuff you can get, other than that ill get off my ass and make them myself for less than $20 out of eps and anything the mind can think of, im not trying to fuel the fire or be a dick but ive had great experience with the guys from surfsource, you guys should buy from other locations because of $$$$/your own locations, but dont go trashing SS b/c in you lived in north florida youd be stoked on them and they would hook you up
Which is it Dark Shredder? This is a rip off industry with not enough money to go around or Fox and SS is one of the nicest, most honest guys in this industry? You used the term rip off industry as if it’s somehow acceptable because some can’t make a living in it or thats just the way it is. Ripping folks off should never be accepted and those that do it should be called out in public. Who their friends are shouldn’t matter. Also…there is plenty of money to go around for those creative enough to offer something different wtihout all the B.S. surf talk and bro scratching bro’s back crap.
As for them “hooking us up”: I would rather have consistent good service and fair pricing done in a business like manner instead of…“The hook up”.
solo,
i couldn’t agree more, youre right ripping people off should never be accepted, i wasnt the one who said they were ripping people off, i was merely just trying to make a point that its very difficult to make a decent living off this stuff (as i have legitimately been doing for the past 2 yrs), so to call someone a ripoff artist for trying to make a fin system (which nobody wants to use anyways) that accepts fcs is crap (when i said rip off industry i meant there are people doing much worse things out there), im not sure if you got what i was trying to say, i basically didnt think it was right to trash someone’s buisiness on here (b/c im not the only one whose had consistent good service at SS), as far as plenty of money around for those being creative and different, im involved with one of the most creative and different companies in FL we suffer finacially but we do it for the love building boards and the desire to give people a better product, in the end everybody says “thats cool but y dont u back off the vac bagging and multi densities and give us some polys”, should we do something we don’t believe in for that dollar or stay true to what we believe, “hooking up” to me is treating people well and profesionally, and we pay taxes so we get wholesale, no more no less
wow its easy to get off topic here
take care
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solo,
i couldn’t agree more, youre right ripping people off should never be accepted, i wasnt the one who said they were ripping people off, i was merely just trying to make a point that its very difficult to make a decent living off this stuff (as i have legitimately been doing for the past 2 yrs), so to call someone a ripoff artist for trying to make a fin system (which nobody wants to use anyways) that accepts fcs is crap (when i said rip off industry i meant there are people doing much worse things out there), im not sure if you got what i was trying to say, i basically didnt think it was right to trash someone’s buisiness on here (b/c im not the only one whose had consistent good service at SS), as far as plenty of money around for those being creative and different, im involved with one of the most creative and different companies in FL we suffer finacially but we do it for the love building boards and the desire to give people a better product, in the end everybody says “thats cool but y dont u back off the vac bagging and multi densities and give us some polys”, should we do something we don’t believe in for that dollar or stay true to what we believe, “hooking up” to me is treating people well and profesionally, and we pay taxes so we get wholesale, no more no less
wow its easy to get off topic here
take care
That makes more sense. Thanks. Yes…you should do what you believe in. Absolutely. I don’t think it’s good to call the rest of us who like both poly and epoxy dumb though.
solo,
sorry if thats the vibe you got, wasnt trying to call anybody dumb, theres no doubt they both have their place (poly vs epox), especially when the majority of the market doesn’t know or care whats going on under their feet, and the poor guy just wanted to know how the gloss resin was!
take care