surfing as spectator sport

 

Bingo.  That’s why I think I make a pretty good parrallel between the two sports on TV.  I play competitive golf and have a great deal of interest in the sport yet the only time I am interested in watching on TV is when Tiger is in the hunt.  Likewise with Pro Surfing the only time it interests me is when Kelly is in the hunt.  There is something about watching Tiger, Kelly or a Michael Jordan that makes you want to watch.  Without these people in their given sports being in the hunt the sports suck to watch on the boob tube.

 

And it only took them, what…twenty years to figure that out? Sheeples is as sheeples does.

llilibel03,

“Good to hear Dropknee.  I keep hoping it will just go away by itself as
many aches and pains do, but this is going on two months now…”

I tried PT for months (stretching, exercises, electrical stimulus, icing) which helped some but not much.  A cortazone injection gave me about two days of relief but then I was right back on the pain train.  An MRI revealed the bone spurs, so surgery was scheduled.  I was told that recovery would be painful, but it was nothing compared to how I’d been suffering previously.

If your pain is, in fact,  being caused by bone spurs, you don’t want to wait too long to have it taken care of.  It’s my understanding that they can abraid the tendons to the point that you wind up with a much bigger problem than you would have had you not waited.  And do the prescribed, post-op stretching and PT religiously: otherwise, adhesions and scar tissue may form limiting your range of motion going forward.


But, getting back to the thread topic…

To be fair, it’s arguable that there at least  a couple of side effects that have come out of commercialized surfing which can be seen as benefits to all surfers (not just the ones who profit from the industry directly).

•Increased political clout when it comes to preventing such things as cutting off public beach access or building marinas on top of existing surf spots.  When surfers are nothing more than a handful of low-income nomads living on the fringes of society, it’s easier to disregard their interests and brush them aside out of hand.

•Accelerated surfboard design innovation.  The evolution of surfboard design has been largely an incremental, trial-and-error process.  That being the case, the greater the number of boards that are made over time, the greater the potential number of design permutations that can be tested.   Of course,  this may hold true only to a point.  The mass production of boards can also stifle the true innovators and put them out of business by flooding a market comprised largely of unsophisticated neophytes with inexpensive popouts. 

Whether or not these alleged benefits outweigh such negatives as increased crowding and the trivialization/degradation of the surfing experience (which at least some of us regard with near reverance) is another matter.  But I think it’s only fair to recognize that some good things can, at least to some degree,  be attributed to commercialization.  Are these gains worth the price paid?  That’s a call for each of us to make…

 

 

 

 

 

 

because soccer IS the most boring sport in the world to watch. fun as sh!t to play, but watching it…ugh.

I nominate baseball as the world’s most boring spectator sport.  By comparison soccer/football is mesmerizing to watch.  At least everyone is constantly on the move.  

 

I disagree on both counts.

Please cite any instance where the powers behind pro surfing helped to protect or preserve a specific surf spot. If anything, they have exposed and pimped out spots that used to be off the radar. Not to mention, the way they claim exclusive rights to a break when they hold a contest, and sometimes resort to unsavory tactics to assert those “rights”. (See: Sean Collins and that incident in Mexico a couple of years ago, for instance)

As to design? Other than the thruster, which was Anderson’s ‘big guy’ alternative to twins in the era of Mark Richards, virtually every significant design advancement was done by guys off the beaten path.  The greatest sea change (pun intended) in design occurred in the late Sixties, and has yet to be equalled. There was no pro surfing back then.

 

In popularizing surfing and increasing the numbers at virtually every spot world wide, professionalism has been the single greatest detriment to surfing, at its core.

Hey SammyA,

I agree absolutely with everything you've said on this thread.

Its nice for a couple of hundred dedicated surfers to earn a living doing something they love, and occasionally I catch the odd vid of a comp, but the detriment to the sport as a whole is overwhelming.

Ditto for the the surfwear companies selling out a sport so they can sell some t-shirts and boardshorts.

Dave

SammyA

“I disagree on both counts.   Please cite any instance where the powers behind pro surfing helped to protect or preserve a specific surf spot.”

You’ve misinterpreted what I was trying to say, so I guess I didn’t express my thoughts very well.  I wasn’t trying to suggest that, for example, the ASP is spearheading a crusade to protect surf spots or keep beaches open.  What I was trying to say is that the commercialization of surfing has, as an unintentional side-effect, increased the size of the surfing public as a political constituency.   The more of us there are, the more likely calculating politicians are to at least consider our wishes when our interests are threatened.   The obvious downside of that is that the larger our constituency gets, the more crowded the waves get: an unfortunate paradox.

Also note that I used the broader term “commercialized surfing”, not “pro surfing” as you did.  If we’re going to disparage competitive surfing for it’s negative, exploitative impacts on our pastime, it’s only fair to point the finger at other desrving culprits.  “If anything, [the powers behind pro surfing] have exposed and pimped out spots that used
to be off the radar”.  I agree.  But what about surf magazine editors and surf movie makers, who were already exposing remote spots long before the advent of pro surfing?  

Then there are the surf schools and the wave forecast/cam websites.  So where do we draw the line?  When is a person “making a living doing what he loves and providing a valuable service” and when does become a crass exploiter?

You and I actually share a strong distaste for “pro surfing” (see my other posts in this thread).  My back flared today so I’ve been laid up/out of the water, bored, cranky and playing Devil’s advocate here…


surfaddict,

“Ditto for the the surfwear companies selling out a sport so they can sell some t-shirts and boardshorts.”

How many shops can you name that keep their heads above water by selling nothing but boards?

 

 

Man, I gotta get back in the water tomorrow…

 

Hey DropkneeSL,

Your comment "How many shops can you name that keep their heads above water by selling nothing but boards?" initially had me thinking "Yep, he's right, who am I to cavalierly disparage someone's livelyhood?". But then I thought a bit more about the situation, and remembered that most "surf" shops (9 out of 10?) that I have encountered do not even sell surfboards, they are in reality clothing stores, or if they do sell surfbaords at all its a few token GSI products. In addition the "real" surf shops that I frequent do not sell clothing at all, nor do the small surfboard manufactures. There are of course a few that do both, but they are in the minority in my experience, and are usually owned by large companies rather than individuals.

Is this true in other parts of the world? It would be interesting if other posters let us know. 

Dave  

It’s true.  Watching soccer isn’t all that exciting. Yet it is the most televised sport in the world. 

The reason why soccer is so popular, especially in densely-populated, low-income, third-world countries is obvious: the minimal capital outlay required of participants.  All you need is some dirt and a ball and you’re good t’go…

My three least favorite sports to watch are soccer, golf and bowling.  A surf contest held in small, crumbly beach break would probably be about 4th in line.

Of course, now that they’re trying to sell The World Poker Tour  as a sports event, I may have to re-think my list…

 

eat fresh pinapple daily in a drink or chew spears…

did my shoulder a world of good,

worth a try…

…ambrose…

BROMALAIN 

look it up…

Dropknee, Here is the ultimate sport for you. a dirt field bowling ally with the bowling pine replaced by surfboards. get three strikes and pick the least damaged board and surf your heart out in weak 3rd world polluted shark infested beach brake. " The Pro Bowler Surf Tour"  is sure to be a winner.  

 

artz,

Add a Red Bull-saturated commentator who screams that the ocean has now been utterly beaten into submission every time somebody smacks the lip, golf claps and contestants who fall down and pretend to be grievously injured every time another competitor touches them and you’re on.

 

Dang: we’re gonna miss our share of the take unless we start charging the ASP consultancy fees.   Pretty sure we’ve got the winning formula dialed in, here…

 

 

Will have the Lawyers register and copy write everything all the i dotted ts crossed and no hanging cads. Bullet proof Iron clad.  Brunswick and CI with Redbull and Bud light favor of the month will write checks. AMF will love it. Since this is a couch potato sport lazy boy might want some of the action( or lack there of) All  will pay fees and place all product as well as put up ad dollars.  Nike and Adidas will duck it out for the bowling shoe rights. 

http://www.theinertia.com/business-media/dear-pro-surfing-shes-just-not-that-into-you/

Sean Young: surfer / lifeguard / writer / musician

Dear Pro Surfing,

I recently read Sean Doherety’s excellent Surfer Magazine article about your shiny new plans for our “sport” and, frankly, I’m a touch concerned. Once again, you are attempting to woo the “girl of your dreams”–a dream girl that, frankly dude, is just not that into you. She really doesn’t get you. She’s a simpleton. She gets bored easily. She has a million other suitors constantly prostrating themselves at her feet for a minute of her attention. Yes, Pro Surfing, that fickle mistress known as Mainstream Media is never going to want to have a meaningful relationship with you. And, as your friend, I’m here to tell you that you are way too good for this callow hussy, and it’s high time you stopped embarrassing yourself in such a needy fashion.

Now, don’t get upset with me. I’ve had your back for a long time. I was around when that Grande Dame formerly known as Peter Drouyn introduced the concept of man-on-man heats and the original contest animal MP arose from his heroin-nod for a last hurrah at Burleigh Heads. I watched the “father of the thruster” massacre giant Bells and turn the backhand to an advantage at the Coke Surfabout in Sydney. I watched the OP riot from the safety of a restaurant roof. I’ve watched Kolohe’s dad do battle on the Bud Tour and countless packaged-for-television surf contests. And now, most wonderfully, these incredible webcasts from exotic surf locales around the globe. I’ve even had roommates who were pro surfers so please know that I get you. I’m with you, but I think it’s time for real talk.

First off, I am sick and tired of hearing you whine about how you want to grow surfing. Grow it? News for you, buddy: it’s full grown and busting out of its seams. You should see what we have going on down here in Venice. It’s morphed from a homegrown, underground scene of state-of-the-art surfing to Fallujah on Soft Tops. A hundred people crammed at the Breakwater committing egregious atrocities upon the waves, and one another, in the name of surfing. You can’t throw a rock in the Santa Monica Bay during the summer without hitting a surf camp instructor on his or her little trucker-hat-wearing head. That’s not just my neck of the woods. All across the world, neophytes are taking to the water in unprecedented numbers. “Alone with the surf and your thoughts?” Oh, Mr. Severson, not where I live.

What is it exactly that you want? Why are you so desperate to attract her attention? Why this need to constantly explain to her how incredible you are? “Hey, middle America, look how rad we all are over here!” We’re a legitimate sport. We are great athletes.

True, you are great athletes but, honestly, pro surfing is a scam, a hustle created by a bunch of surfers who figured out a way to get paid for doing what they loved. But we don’t care. We wish we were you. We wish we could surf like you do and wish we could get paid to do it as well. We will waste an entire day watching an event with three-foot surf and twenty-minute lulls. We don’t care. But that’s because we are surfers. We get you.

In order to sell yourself to a wider audience, you’ve hooked up with a new outfit called ZoSea. Your new stylist/hype-man Paul Speaker comes from the NFL, and he enjoys drawing ridiculous parallels between football and surfing. In fact, he loves to offer this fun fact as proof that surfing can be mass marketed: despite football’s massive popularity – 97% of the public has never played football. Okay. While 97% may have never strapped on pads and played an official game, EVERYONE has at least held a football in their hand, thrown it around the yard or played flag football back in Junior High. They know how fast they can run. They know how far they can or cannot throw a football, and they have a pretty good idea what it would feel like to be tackled by a six-foot, seven-inch, three-hundred pound man who can run a 4.6 second 40.

They do not, however, have any concept of what it’s like to ride a wave. They can’t fathom the courage and athletic ability it takes to turn around underneath a heaving South Pacific slab and pull into the barrel. Conceptually, it’s impossible for them to understand that the lip of that wave packs more of a violent impact than the entire defense of an NFL team. Oh, I’m sure you can throw together some wonderful packages designed to enlighten the uninitiated and your new teams of broadcasters can harp constantly about the thrilling danger involved but, ultimately, they just see pretty blue roller coaster rides.

As a lifeguard working in Venice, I have had a lot of firsthand experience with people unable to comprehend the power and danger of the ocean. You can warn them ’til you’re blue in the face, but until they go over the falls with the lip and have a “come to Jesus moment,” you are just wasting your breath. Maybe you could direct your desired new audience to stand in front of a fire hose while being beaten with sledgehammers to fully understand the Teahupo’o experience.

It seems Mr. Speaker has been whispering a lot of sweet nothings in your ear talking about a centralized Global Surf League and telling you that you are a “Premier Global Sport.” You have to know that’s a bunch of B.S. This is where that pesky thing called the ocean gets in the way. People like a hard start time for their sporting events. They expect the ball to be kicked off at specific time. They don’t want to park themselves down in front of the television with their beer and their chips ready for an afternoon of action only to find out the game isn’t going to be played because the grass isn’t green enough yet. Even a devout initiate like myself will spit the dummy after wasting an entire day waiting for an event not to run. How’s Joe six-pack going to take it?

Your other problem is your random subjectivity. People like a clear-cut winner. You know, who scores the most points, who crossed the finish line first. You fall into the same category as gymnastics and figure skating. You perform a routine. Maybe some compulsory maneuvers and then a little freestyle and then you are awarded a score from a panel of judges. What if one of the gymnasts performed her routine on the balance beam and then the next girl went to do her routine and the balance beam was gone? Maybe it finally shows up twenty minutes later. Or they give her some old bootleg balance beam that’s cracked and uneven. What’s the audience going to do while this girl is frantically running around looking for a freakin’ balance beam? Do they keep watching? Do they think it’s fair that she didn’t get to do her routine on a nice balance beam? If you surf, you get it. You understand the fickleness of the ocean, the subtleties of rhythm and wave selection. You can appreciate the stress and pressure of a slow, wave-starved heat like a hardcore baseball fan loves a low scoring pitcher’s duel. However, the casual fan wants to see home run derby every time they come to the park.

Please don’t hate me. I’m telling you this for your own good. We’ve been doing this for over thirty years. Remember P.T. and Kanga with their Bronzed Aussies and matching jumpsuits? All the mega events and neon of the 80s? Boardshorts on the runways of Milan in the 90s? For twenty plus years you’ve had Kelly Slater–the most transcendent charismatic surfer to ever put his feet in wax, and you still can’t develop a relationship with her?

So keep your head up and restrain from this incessant fawning over this disinterested and, quite frankly, unworthy beast. You’re not some nutty little game with a ball and a set of arbitrary rules created by some white dudes wearing knickers. You are the vanguard of our pursuit. Surfing is the sport of kings. It’s been around for thousands of years so quit acting so desperate. It’s like you’ve always told us, “Only a surfer knows the feeling.”

 The above posted by Huck needs to be published for all to see and read.  Better yet carve it in stone.

 Now think of this the so called surf industry is mostly a fashion industry.  and a fashion industry does not need athletes to sell cloths. They need models and placement with celebrities.  if Megan Fox said she onlt gets the hots for Brand x board shorts my guess is brand X will sell out.  Every teen age boy with too much hormones and too little brains will be wearing Brand x.

Rip-Silver-Bong and Shane Lopez = more maggots at my / your beach making what used to be a spiritual and sublime experience of muliple dimesnsions now a jock boy ‘extreme’ sport - this can only be considerd a negative. I know grown adults who actually know asp results and standings and I laugh in their face and tell them they are gay. Turn off the TV / internet contests and go send some maggots to the beach for style infractions. Biting an SUP paddle in half makes a strong statement and gets them out of the water.