poopey you should really do some research.There is alot of info in the archives that might help you educate yourself.I tried what you said and It worked you are a genious!!
You smacked yourself in the face with a 2" dead branch and It worked …man I am a genius. Seriously…I will check the archives. This surftec vs poly is confusing to me. the stick analogy is how it was explained to me…but I guess some people disagree that more ridged doesn’t necessarily make it more likely to snap…
Absolutely right. And to continue the theme, glass and resin form a composite themselves even when no foam is involved. It’s just mixing materials, the most widely used composite worldwide? Concrete! Now there’s a thought…
Regular epoxy/eps vs. epoxy/eps sandwich composite (surftech tuflite), vs. traditional pu/pe…plenty of opinions, “facts”, and facts.
One thing that is interesting about epoxy/eps vs. pupe is that the flex characteristics of pupe change with age and use, much more markedly than epoxy/eps or epoxy/eps sandwich composite. From personal experience, it is amazing to take epoxy left in a cup after some glassing or ding repair, and some similar polyester resin (warning: this is totally unscientific observational anecdote, so take it with a grain of salt), and try flexing them. The epoxy stays much more flexible than the polyester, whereas the poyester is brittle.
I’d suggest everyone else ignore anything he says that doesn’t use manners (certain death for a troll) and certainly do not post anything that shows any emotion.
That’ll tell us for sure.
Technically?
Composites 101 says any two materials joined togethor form a composite structure. Hence two slats of wood glued togethor and tillered might be considered a composite bow.
But every industry has it’s slang. And in this one a “composite board” is (as has been amply indicated above) a composite sandwich surfboard. This mean several layers of glass, foam and some kinds of other skin material layered togethor.
Lance Hookano and Dino Miranda ride their rather large and stiff surftech logs in waves and conditions that would make the majority of “opinion-hators” here poop in their drawers including myself.
And they just don’t surf them, they surf them hard
especially Lance who’s smacking the lips on 10’ Hawaiian Alii with authority.
Of course they still snap’em but it’s less than they would with their old poopees…
Why don’t you folks just step it up and go find and ask those guys what they think…
they ride those horrible surftechs in some very heavy stuff here just like Blane and the new-school SUP’rs who’ve pushed the limits the past two years with their equipment. You already heard what Cheyne had to say and he’s surfing 'em instead of just talking about them…
That being said
the strongest boards I’ve personally seen are CMP’s older 1/8" balsa rail wrap designs which are balsa compsands built without any concern to weight. Lots of thick glass with wood epoxied over standard clark PU blanks with thick single or triple stringers. Pretty much bullet proof just maybe twice as heavy as a normal heavily glassed PU board. If you wanna try one on your own. then get you favorite PUPE cut off the fins and sand it down enough to rough out the outside then bag a wood compsand over than and see how heavy that ends up…
room for just about everything in the line up
unless someone posting here is like top 44 ASP or something
Lance Hookano and Dino Miranda ride their rather large and stiff surftech logs in waves and conditions that would make the majority of “opinion-hators” here poop in their drawers including myself.
And they just don’t surf them, they surf them hard
especially Lance who’s smacking the lips on 10’ Hawaiian Alii with authority.
Of course they still snap’em but it’s less than they would with their old poopees…
Why don’t you folks just step it up and go find and ask those guys what they think…
they ride those horrible surftechs in some very heavy stuff here just like Blane and the new-school SUP’rs who’ve pushed the limits the past two years with their equipment. You already heard what Cheyne had to say and he’s surfing 'em instead of just talking about them…
That being said
the strongest boards I’ve personally seen are CMP’s older 1/8" balsa rail wrap designs which are balsa compsands built without any concern to weight. Lots of thick glass with wood epoxied over standard clark PU blanks with thick single or triple stringers. Pretty much bullet proof just maybe twice as heavy as a normal heavily glassed PU board. If you wanna try one on your own. then get you favorite PUPE cut off the fins and sand it down enough to rough out the outside then bag a wood compsand over than and see how heavy that ends up…
room for just about everything in the line up
unless someone posting here is like top 44 ASP or something
but I serious doubt that…
I think Cheyne actually prefers them. Your completely right Bernie. There is plenty of room. I for one have never had an issue with the tech. It’s just the ones I have ridden…I don’t like. I think it was mostly because they were longboards. Some of the more recent ones look pretty good. I think more of them are now being shaped for the tech rather than shaping for poly and having them copied.
I’d suggest everyone else ignore anything he says that doesn’t use manners (certain death for a troll) and certainly do not post anything that shows any
emotion.
That’ll tell us for sure.
Technically?
Composites 101 says any two materials joined togethor form a composite structure. Hence two slats of wood glued togethor and tillered might be considered a composite bow.
But every industry has it’s slang. And in this one a “composite board” is (as has been amply indicated above) a composite sandwich surfboard. This mean several layers of glass, foam and some kinds of other skin material layered togethor.
Chill guys… And peace
Sorry dougirwin13 …I wasnt trolling…just trying to get some answers.
i asked a shaper/repair guy in town what he fixes more poly or epoxy…he says 90% of his repairs are poly. but the epoxy repairs are usually bad ones like snaps or buckless.
i also hear the term composite when describing surftecs…but not with poly boards.
so i came to swaylocks…just to ask a couple questions…thats all.
There is a picture of Shawn Thompson at pipe ripping a Merrick Surftech. I am pretty sure that Shawn could ride any board (or Merrick, if that is his current sponser) he wants, and he is on a surftech.
[=Blue]Aloha Rod
I am not really very comfortable sharing my private discussions with my customers in a public forum but… in an effort to keep the facts straight I will risk it here.
Assuming we are talking about the same board, Shaun had problems with that board in Hawaii. It didn’t handle the extra power at OTW and Pipe very well. Shaun asked me to make him a PuPe replacement for it. He loved that SurfTech in smaller waves with less power though and there was some great video on YouTube of him riding it in Jacksonville Beach, FL. Shaun monitors Swaylocks so maybe he will share his thoughts. Like all boards and materials they are all good, as long as they are adjusted and adapted properly for each surfer and surf condition.
Never presume too much from what you see or read in the magazines.[:)][=Blue]
There is a picture of Shawn Thompson at pipe ripping a Merrick Surftech. I am pretty sure that Shawn could ride any board (or Merrick, if that is his current sponser) he wants, and he is on a surftech.
Aloha Rod
I am not really very comfortable sharing my private discussions with my customers in a public forum but… in an effort to keep the facts straight I will risk it here.
Assuming we are talking about the same board, Shaun had problems with that board in Hawaii. It didn’t handle the extra power at OTW and Pipe very well. Shaun asked me to make him a PuPe replacement for it. He loved that SurfTech in smaller waves with less power though and there was some great video on YouTube of him riding it in Jacksonville Beach, FL. Shaun monitors Swaylocks so maybe he will share his thoughts. Like all boards and materials they are all good, as long as they are adjusted and adapted properly for each surfer and surf condition.
Never presume too much from what you see or read in the magazines.[:)]
Good one Bill. Cheyne echoed the same sentiments to me on the sandwhich tech. Said he preferred it in smaller ways to poly, but liked the poly boards better in the size. Contrary to what some believe…I have an interest in that tech. I find it interesting (especially for hotdog boards), but I have not found a way to apply it to what I am doing without having to become an employee to some company and lose control of what I am doing. It would be nice if someone came up with a way the average guy could get into it without having to order 100 or 200 boards at a time and be at the mercy of the production guy way overseas. Thats not a shot at them…it’s just the way it is at the moment.
There is a picture of Shawn Thompson at pipe ripping a Merrick Surftech. I am pretty sure that Shawn could ride any board (or Merrick, if that is his current sponser) he wants, and he is on a surftech.
Aloha Rod
I am not really very comfortable sharing my private discussions with my customers in a public forum but… in an effort to keep the facts straight I will risk it here.
Assuming we are talking about the same board, Shaun had problems with that board in Hawaii. It didn’t handle the extra power at OTW and Pipe very well. Shaun asked me to make him a PuPe replacement for it. He loved that SurfTech in smaller waves with less power though and there was some great video on YouTube of him riding it in Jacksonville Beach, FL. Shaun monitors Swaylocks so maybe he will share his thoughts. Like all boards and materials they are all good, as long as they are adjusted and adapted properly for each surfer and surf condition.
Never presume too much from what you see or read in the magazines.[:)]
Bill, I believe it, I have a 6’10" tuflite that if there is too much texture to the water it sort of bounces around too much. If it is glass and not too fast I love it, but when it gets too big or choppy, it isn’t my favorite. I took out my PU yesterday and had a great day on it. For some reason I am always switching boards, it is kind of fun, but it probably slows my progression. My GH quad fish should be done by the weekend, I am hoping that that will be my daily driver.
you had one of the better test pilots for the middle age crew to try out the poly/styro debate.it would have been interesting if you could have made Shaun a custom styro to mirror the poly boards desired results or new results..and maybe randy f to throw in a tl2 and a Sunova to add to the test and get Shaun to post his opinions of all four great reading to say the least, maybe another time.Better yet get Shaun to post his opinions of all the different types of construction boards he has had in the last 30 years.and if you could get him to answer the endless questions from poster as to the whys what a learning curve to say the least! aloha....
Sorry dougirwin13 ...I wasnt trolling....just trying to get some answers.
i asked a shaper/repair guy in town what he fixes more poly or epoxy…he says 90% of his repairs are poly. but the epoxy repairs are usually bad ones like snaps or buckless.
i also hear the term composite when describing surftecs…but not with poly boards.
so i came to swaylocks…just to ask a couple questions…thats all.
sorry if i came off as a troll.
No worries man. That response makes me think maybe you aren’t a troll after all.
Keep asking like that and I reckon you can ask nearly anything at all
Do you feel your initial question been answerred yet? They usually blow out into more and more questions
Seriously…I will check the archives. This surftec vs poly is confusing to me. the stick analogy is how it was explained to me…but I guess some people disagree that more ridged doesn’t necessarily make it more likely to snap…
