Surftech's

Being basically as cynical and superstitous as just about anyone can get without practicing voodoo, I’ve not bought into the Surftech craze, yet, although all those around me have at least one in their quiver. I figured “…looks good, don’t cost as much, lasts a long time…” is about as certain a formula for disaster as anything, and I’ve been sitting here for years, resting assured that some feature…some heinous design flaw…some cancer-causing, evironmentally destructive, long term, “will make your kids stupid”…thing…would eventually show up in every one, and “vindicate my patience and wisdom for the world to witness”.

But, I’m afraid if you find one that is the shape of your favorite board, to date, I can see no practical reason for not getting one.

My biggest problem with them, though, is that I kinda prefer having to “take care” of my boards, and I kinda like being able to request features in my shapes that compliment my strong points, and help me to account for my weaknesses. I like being able to discuss my experiences with different shapers, the nuances you get in their work, and I like being able to get my boards painted or decorated with my own ideas. Even though most of my surf crew all ride “tighty whiteys”, I kinda feel like a white board is such a missed opportunity.

Fixing dings is part of “it”, and sitting down on the beach with your board snapped in half, trying to maintain some semblance of personal dignity is, too. There’s just something unquantifiably sinister, to me, about something you don’t have to take care of.

In truth, the features I ask for may not do really anything much, but just the fact that it’s got softer rails further back than normal, or a lil’ bit wider nose, just makes me feel better. I have seen a board, identical shape, in both the Surftech and the hand shaped, and the hand shaped ones just, to me, look better. One looks like art, the other looks like a plastic Saint Christopher medal or something. I almost hate to be so stereotypical as to say “…they have no soul…”, 'cause, goodness knows, we’ve beat the shit outa that horse, but how else do you accurately describe it to another surfer, huh? “It just doesn’t feel right to me”, to a surfer, is the pinnacle of accuracy; there’s just no need to argue past that point, really.

Plus, when I order a shape, and it comes in, it’s like Christmas to me, when I was a kid. I get more excited about a new board being “in” than anything else, short of sex, however, I will freely admit that I’ve never stood up and walked out of a meeting for even a quickie.

But, shi-it…a new board? I’ve gotten The Call From The Shop, and fast-walked out of work meetings, left the office, drove like a mad man across town in traffic flashing my lights, and gone directly to the beach to surf, all because I was so excited about getting a board that I feel I had at least some personal input into.

I’m so nervous about doing right, I won’t even drive the speed limit, but when a new baord comes in, I’ve lied about being sick, about getting sick, I’ve had maybe 42 aunts, uncles, cousins die, lied about neighbors called about smoke at my house, lied about my sick kid (my kid should be dead right now, she’s been sick so much), and I’ve done it every time lookin’ the boss dead in the eye, both of us knowing what is really going on, shaking like a bird dog in the back of the pick up truck, …and never flinching.

Gawd …I challenge anyone to tell me honestly anything that can make you feel that same way.

I’m sure the Surftech folks are really nice people, and I’m sure they take as much pride in their work as anyone, but I just can’t seem to feel “right” about the boards, and goodness knows, I credit all that to being “my” problem; ask anyone who knows me. I’m more superstitous about surfing than baseball players are about shaving.

Don’t forget about the smell of a new board. Nothing beats that; rolls the years back a few.

Surftech definatly has some good points. The people here knocking them are in the board building business and generally have their own vested interest. From my point of veiw, Surftech isn’t doing anything magic. They’re using epoxy/sandwich technology which is vastly stronger than the standard PU/PE board. The problem is that they aren’t doing it that well which is why they have some failures. Any custom shop THAT CARES could easily make a better product than this and do it custom. Any craftsman who takes PRIDE in his work can develop better technology. Any consumer who is willing to PAY for something better desearves our patronage and deserves a better board than a Surftech. In closing, to the industry, stop all the bad mouthing and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!. Raise the bar. Take pride that you can do it better than some Thai sweat shop. Better technology is available and written about RIGHT HERE!!! NO EXCUSES!

Great post Greg.

Bob Miller makes custom EPS/sandwich/epoxy boards. He’s not just all about Boardworks and Poly/Poly and balsa. Does a nice job on all of the above, too.

I completely agree about a new custom board. But at 220 lb, off-the-shelf is pretty much not gonna happen for me. If I was 175 I’d probably have a pop-out or two, for those specific conditions where a very light, very rigid board is called for.

I’ve borrowed Surftechs. The ride is a little corky, they seem a little light, but yes, sometimes you want that. I’m not trying to blast 'em. The worst thing for me is the echo through the board of every little wave & chop. It sounds like being in the forward cabin of a really cheap sailboat. The noise just drives me nuts.

Bottom line, test-drive before you buy. Maybe it works for you, maybe not. But you never know what you’ll hate about one until you get it out & get it wet.

Most of the guys I ride with here in Hawaii ride them and some are even team riders like rodney nakasato. Dave S. used to be the local dealer through surfco but he’s out of that business now and just concentrating on fins. All the shops here sell them now and personally I’d rather buy a surftech than the cheap chinese made poly’s that are also permeating the shops with “fake” shop logos. At least BIC, Surftech and Boardsworks are upfront of what they are.

As far as durability you should ask Lance Hookano or Dino Miranda about them… Sure Randy is sponsering them but they ride their surftechs hard in some big stuff… Check out the pipe expression session a year or so back.

In a longboard I think they ride somewhat decently since they are light enough fly around but as shortboards the lightness kind of hinders performance in anything but some gutless waves. You lose momentum fast at the top coming out of bottom turns. I thought my PointBlanks Mako epoxy felt better in the water but it yellowed something awful and was more expensive through the local patagonia shop. Most shops are giving a $100-$150 kamaaina price breaks so you an get the shorties for under $500. A new Brewer 9’0" will you like $1500 and a BK or RussK something like $900-$1100.

I have the 7’11" McCoy Nugget single (with some great fins from solo) and the Merrick 6’8" Flyer.

Been also considering the Infinity 10’0" Rad Cluster.

When it’s big though I’d rather ride something heavier like my poly Terry Chung/Brewer mini-gun…

But then what do I know since I also ride a Gemini…

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Re: Rich-- future of boards


In the year 2000 I entered into an agreement with Surftech to license them to distribute Harbour Surfboards. They would be manufactured in the huge Cobra International Co. LTD. Factory located in Thailand. These boards used a construction that was a core of very light weight EPS foam, a layer of epoxy impregnated fiberglass, and then covered with high density PVC foam. All of this was then covered with another layer of epoxy impregnated fiberglass. In all, this is a very durable and light method of making a surfboard.

Epoxy glass sandwiched PVC foam covered EPS foam surfboards are a good product but have some short comings. Initially this was sailboard technology that does not have to meet the unique surfboard strength requirements. They break more frequently than epoxy makers will admit because surfboards are much thinner than sailboards. They will suck water like a sponge with any ding that exposes the inner EPS foam, requiring the board to be removed from the water immediately.

Molded surfboards have no stringer and are not shaped. This means they cannot have a clear finish. Their finish is sprayed onto the final epoxy layer, much as an automobile. Custom surfboards have an unlimited choice of stringer combinations. We can customize your color and actually impregnate transparent color into the fiberglass cloth covering. Many of the custom fiberglass coloring techniques are unique to the custom surfboard industry, and cannot be duplicated in a molded product. Being hand shaped, small adjustments are available. If you custom order, your name will be hand written and permanently affixed on the stringer in front of the fin box.

Epoxy glass covered EPS foam boards are probably best suited for the entry level to novice surfers. Most sophisticated surfers find difficulty setting a rail and have problems with lack of follow through and drive. Because of the lack of weight, nose riding is noticeably troublesome. Most above average surfers soon find these weaknesses unacceptable. There is also the problem that if you actually like some of the features of one of these molded models, there is no way to make minor adjustments on your next board, because your board is from a mold, forever frozen in time. With our current polyester design advancements, the molds that produce Harbour Surftechs are already obsolete. I improved our rockers in 2002. Our new custom boards all reflect those improvements. The molded boards that were distributed by Surftech are the same as they were in 2000.

If we continue to support the epoxy/offshore produced surfboards, we will erode the labor pool of craftsmen that design and build American hand made surfboards. Each off shore produced board that sells displaces an American polyester board, and in the bigger picture will cost some dedicated craftsman a job to some worker in Eastern Europe or Asia. We have a beautiful industry that has produced artisans that are unique to the entire Earth’s population. There is an unrivaled entity about a hand made polyester surfboard. Cost Wise they are an unbelievable bargain, probably one of the least expensive hand made product of any kind available. It would be a sad day to see them become an endangered species.

I terminated my contract with Surftech effective July 20, 2002.

 Howzit oneula, So Rodney is riding one these days, Knew him when he was on Kauai and he always made the finals in the Pine Trees Longboard contest, been a while since I've seen him. I can't wait to tell his friend Mark Sauaen that he's on a surftech these days but so are the Lorez brothers ( not Gerry ), Garrick and Ronald. You have a Chung gun, he shaped quite a few boards for me in the past and they always worked, Guns are his real love when it comes to shaping. Terry also shapes great tow in boards. Aloha,Kokua

Kokua

The Chung I own is a used green (Kauai Boys)one that belonged to Alekai Kinimaka ,even has the Alekai sticker on it. I got it on the northshore this summer for this winter.

Thick, solid glass job, thick stringer and glassed on fins. A classic…Kind of like my George Ku boards.

Anyway is it hard to buy new Chungs/Brewers at a decent cost off the rack on Kauai? I heard you might find some at progressive in Koloa or in Hanalei…

There’s a bunch of team riders(longboard) here in Ewa. they even brought Randy down here once. Max Mederios had a big following here for his boards before he moved back home super nice guy…

I have alot of Kamehameha classmates from Kauai, good memories surfing Pinetrees, Pakalas, the Crack, and Queens Pond in the 70’s with my classmates. Pretty much before everything.

Aloha No

Hey -

Seems a problem with Surftechs and the EPS stringerless foam they use is snapping. Why not just add a stringer?

I must be missing something, because this sounds really simple…

Garage shapers use EPS foam, wire cut the heck out of it and put their own stringers in. Seems to work fine for them.

Somebody enlighten me with the obvious reason this hasn’t been mentioned so I can look like an @ss.

Thanks ahead of time.

P

Randy French’s first styrofoam board was molded and had an aluminum imbedded stiffener. It was not covered with anything. Needless to say, he couldn’t sell it to the surfboard industry. THEN came the sailboard explosion. He probably got away with the same concept, minus the aluminum, by just covering with an epoxy/fiberglass skin. The trouble with surfboards is the incredible pressure of the breaking wave that you don’t have in sailboards and the foot pressure All over the deck. Also even though the core is molded the rest is done by hand and that’s probably where the variation in strength comes in. What you get is what you get. “I wouldn’t of got a lemon…”

They’re probably adjusting their production schedule as you read this.

FWIW I think alot of sailboards get pounded alot harder than most surfboards with big airs and the force of the wind on the mast interface. Some people actually use them to windsurf also(as apposed to just windsailing on a board), and yes, they do break.

Greg and Bert(and/or anyone else for that matter), could you please write down a lesson in ‘vacuum bagging board building for dummies’ for the resource section, what equipment is needed, do’s and dont’s, etc.? You never know, if they get spoonfeed maybe the industry will catch on?

regards,

Håvard

surftech is the end product of an idea developed for the purpose of profit …

sunova is the end product of an idea developed for the purpose of surfing …

the construction concept started at a similar point at a similar time …

both are now at extreme ends of the epoxy sandwich board market …

randy went to the office …

i went surfing and back to the drawing board …

waves are free … i want the best equipment to ride them with …

for everything else theres master card …

regards

BERT

Just one final interjection - I’ll stand by my last comment on the strength required for surfboard versus sailboards and here’s why…

On a sailboard - the rider is strapped in at ONE position and the area underfoot is strengthened and controlled to take the load of the rider as he comes down out of a big air. Same with the reinforced mast area interface. The rest of the surface doesn’t take abuse from body parts and therefore the board’s SKIN SURFACE remains intact. If the skin surface is produced with anything below an extremely high standard of production it will fail if put into critical situations.

On a surfboard the rider is in contact with the deck at many different locations and many times during a typical surf session. The weakening of the skin surface is one if not the main cause of surfboard failure of ANY construction technique.

Also a sailboard (or surfboard) with a foamed plastic skin layer will outlast a foam/fiberglass/epoxy custom shaped board because the thicker skin will take much more abuse. (no stringer construction)

Take a look at the common feature of Bert’s boards and Greg’s new blank. The future IS going to be some form of an advanced multi-layer composite skin over lightweight foam core.

ps If you read between the lines, I think the answer to longitudinal strength is beyond the vacuum bagging and more in the flexible horizontal stringer that Bert has “hinted” at and hasn’t shown yet…also read about what Greg says about keeping the future blanks somewhat flexible in the finishing process.

Howzit oneula, Kai Kanes in Hanalei carry both Chungs and Brewers, Terry's boards are not as expensive as the Brewers and the shop usually has a plenty on hand. Terry makes a great board for a reasonable price, the board you have was probably glassed by John Delaney who was Terry's glasser for years. He still does some of Terry's boards but since he opened his own shop he also does some Brewers and PS's. Max has had his factory for about 7 years under the name Hawaiian Blades in Lihue and he's still shaping boards. Aloha,Kokua

Thanks Kokua

looks like a weekend jaunt to Hanalei is in order this winter. Maybe I’ll bring my gemini…

Howzit oneula, What are you in the market for, I can call the shop and see what's in stock, that way if they don't have what you're looking for you won't make a trip for nothing. If that's the case you could probably talk to Terry in person or by phone about a board, which would also eliminate the extra bucks the shop adds on to the price. Aloha,Kokua

Man, I think you have never actually touched a windsurfer. For one thing, the mast and boom tend to strike the rails, nose and tail of the board when you fall off. Also even in “normal” use you for sure are not in the straps at all times. At the extreme check out what some of the freestylers are doing to their boards (eg, jump out of the water, kick the board around and land on the nose with the board going backwards).

Pick up a surfboard and pick up a windsurfer once. The pole-boards generally make regular surfboards look extremely flimsy.

With all these broken surftechs, can sombody take a close-up picture showing the inside? I am curious to know how thick the foam sandwich skin is.

ok ive decided im going to do it …i will make a custom surftech …

start to finish , show all the various steps before and after shots …a whole custom sandwich board will emerge before your eyes…

i will even show you the easy way …i will purposely do it on the cheap to show you can do it with simple household objects as tools …

itll be a few weeks tho , ill have to order in some pvc …

in that time , if anyone would like to see a particular curve or bottom shape done , just ask …

then no one will have any excuses , then the consumers out there can either buy a moulded asian import with the same spray and shape as 1000 other people , or get a complete custom , just like they get any other custom …except itll be light strong have the logo of there choice , colours of there choice , and made locally …

when its finished … ill sell it here …

if that doesnt get things rolling and give an ailing industry a chance to compete …

at least my hands will be clean …

regards

BERT

Bert,

This is great. Because I’m gunna make one (or two) too, just slightly different, with some bert inspired touches. Just that I’ve never made one before, but I do have a fair amount of bagging experience with other boat related fiberglassing projects. I just posted a Wanted Ad here seeking one or maybe two others here locally that want to go in on a 39"x49"x97" block of edro eps with me. Looking forward to seeing your instructional :slight_smile:

Thanks in advance,

Glenn