The traditional shortboard is dead to me.

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What you need to do Mark is make yourself a sup (lower case letters so others won't notice it).

You won't care when the surf is marginal as you'll take it for a spin on the lake.

I've been around long enough to be choosey about the quality and size of waves I surf and my sup is keeping me paddle fit for the good days without forcing me to surf junk just to keep fit.

Being realistic there's many, many times I've forced myself to go surfing when I didn't want to just to keep paddle fit for better days. Now I don't have to. No more frustration with rubbish waves and I'm one less face in the water.

Good for everyone.

I have enough muscle memory stored up that surfing less will have no ill effect on my waveriding though I lay no claims in that department.

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Wouldn't be a bad idea really. There's many more perfect days on the lake ( ie flat and glassy ) than there is at my local. I could also call on MDS to help me. Hard though, i have fun surfin the small stuff, especially with the right board. Would be very handy when we have a flat spell though. We're in the process of selling our house. Haven't found a new one yet, but im hoping to get a permanent shaping/brewing spot. Then i can set it properly, as i doubt we'll be moving ever again, unless its further down the coast away from all the people haha.

 

 

I’ve also been down the ‘thicker’ path too and my experience is that going wider gives you more benefit than thicker, as it seems the cork feeling builds faster in narrower/thicker boards than wider/thinner boards (when they have the same volume). Anyone else experience this?

BTW - all of my shortboards (6’0" - 6’8") are 20+" wide and I motor through sections on them here in Santa Cruz.  I’m a huge fan of wider at 2 1/2" or 2 5/8" thickness with a nice flat deck.  No issues with the nose, mid or tail widths in the hollower stuff except for my mini-simmons (full tanker nose and tail with a 21.5" mid width).  Being a hull (with almost no rocker haha) it doesn’t catch, but it doesn’t like to knife in on steep drops either…

Whats needed is a nice balance between width , thickness and buoyancy for a given design and rider…Geoff McCoy has it sorted.

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Amen to that. And if you want to turn and redirect on a dime make it a single fin.

Hey Burnsie,

Still of the opinion that the 6’ Astron zot single is your favourite?

what do you weigh?

got bully’d myself recently.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDYQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvimeo.com%2F51877423&ei=c_KTUaqCNOaYiALI_oDAAw&usg=AFQjCNHxpX6t467BQTqKKb0SNRCAFTHwQg&bvm=bv.46471029,d.cGE

 

performance boards made for hawaiian sized guys like Junior Moepono and others

I like my pork laulau plate lunch with extra scoop rice and Mac salad

no need to fear the girth that comes with age

jus make’em beeg’ah

helps with them old shoulders and weak paddling arms too

6’4"x23"x3" 3/4 fin plan to ride it as a quad when I get healthier.

j1 

 

 

 

 

 

The Bully Surfboard – Never Too Big To Rip!

 

There are plenty of big guys out there that want to surf a shortboard but they can’t find one with enough volume.  They are sick of being stuck on longboards when the waves are good and they don’t plan on losing 100lbs to ride the shortboards that most surf shops stock.  Surf shops have plenty of short boards for the guys that weigh 100 to 175lbs.  If you are between 175 to 190lbs you might get lucky and find one in stock.  If you are over 190lbs…over 200lbs…then what?  You have to order custom and most shapers don’t want to shape anything that big.

Chronic’s not scared…he developed the Bully Model for the XXXL size surfers.  The Bully Model is a shortboard on steriods.  These boards are designed for surfers from 200 to 300lbs+++.  The Bully is made from 6’4 to 7’6.  The minimum width is 21 1/2, the maximum width is 23 3/4.  Minimum thickness is 2 7/8 to a maximum of 3 3/8.  We can go even bigger on a custom order.  The Bully is a performance shortboard outline, performance rocker with single to double concaves.  The volume carries though out the whole board to give you maximum floatation.  So throw that salad in the garbage and get a plate lunch… with an extra scoop of rice.  You don’t need to suffer through a diet or give up the greenies…just get The Bully Model.

 

 

The traditional shortboard has been dead to me since I started surfing. I like wide, short boards that feel all skatey and fun. I finished this recently, 5’4" 20.75 wide, 2.3" thick. I’m liking the high surface area approach. Haven’t ridden this one yet, but it looks fun. Definitely gonna try riding it as a single fin with the largest center fin I can find that fits a futures box. Never surfed a twin and trailer either, I normally just ride twins. But I figured with all the tail width I might need a small center fin. Maybe not though. I might try one of those little half moon fins if this feels too stuck trying to go straight.

I tried keeping most of the board pretty wide too.

Im I the only one that likes HPSB’s for the sheer reason of duckdiving ability? I don’t surf big waves, but even in solid head high surf I hate being caught inside on a really floaty board. for waist high waves I like my floaty fish at 5’10-22.3-3 for 190 lbs.

Funny to see this old thread come back to the top.  Since the time I started this thread I’ve done some more experimenting and am now riding something a little more high performance yet still thick and wide.  I’ve oversized the basic Dumpster Diver template out to 6’6 and made it nearly 3" thick.  I’ve got another one in the works right now that will be geared towards bigger hollow waves.

picked this little bully up just before the last big south swell here
got to ride it the day my brother had his heart attack

I rode it with the futures s4 all single foil quads
and was light speed fast but so out of control
still trying to find the right fin combo and just crossfired it with some AM2s

the board’s a monster
6’4" x 23" x 3.25"
the tail feels like 19"
a shortboard on 'roids basically
same potato chip rocker and outline just exaggerated thick and wide
what’s that parmenter mantra?
continuous curve and continuous not staged rocker?

i’m 5’8" and around 200lbs but getting close to 60 so i consider it my old man’s potato chip
you know when you have to carry it on top of your head it’s wide.

 

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What they say on their clip (Chronic bully) rings true to me.

those prices are cheap.

hows the quality?

walking through any of the local surfshops I look at the shortboards on the rack and have to try to figure out which one carries enough foam to realistically support me.

The pickings are slim.

 

quality is not bad

these are off the rack not custom but they specialize in custom orders

Otis runs the factory in Wahiawa

and they just unload their stock at the tax exempt forign import/export zone depot by the harbor

just a hole in the wall office with boards

appointment only

there’s no shop

they just post their inventory on craigslist

the new distribution model i guess

the other “factory” has been unloading HIC Arakawa’s for the same kind of prices but they are chippies in comparison.

I got mine for $390 without fins

a good deal for a brand new board with 5 futures boxes and color

if you know what you want there’s deals to be had out there

I got a used 6’4" Firewire Potatonator on craigslist for less  but i had to repair allot of dings under all the wax and stickers after bringing it home (i hate that CL term “watertight”)

finally rode it last weekend in pure 1’ whiteplains slop and it was a blast

real skippy with its deep double barrel vee like the sweet potato but with the dominator outline

floats and paddles unreal just more of a mush groveler than the bully which i rode in overhead conditions. 

George Gall’s cutoff  nose assyms are a blast as well rode a 6’8" and 8’ hybrid during the same swell before trying the bully.

 

 

…floatation is one of the variables…if you only rely on that one you only have benefits on the prone position, never when you standing up…and that s is when you are riding.

So, if you are obese, you should try to develop a better way to eat and have better quality ingredients. I eat lots of food, but nothing fried or fat, etc, so vegetables, fruits, meat, etc.

A customer lost 10 kgs in a month or so! only starting to eat vegetables, meat, etc and not eating food based on Flour, wheat, etc) and walking.

No matter if you are from Hawaii or whatever place; the fact is how much food you eat and the quality of that food; so how many calories you eat and the type of calories you should eat; then how much calories you use in a day; nothing more; it s very simple math.

So it s better to lose some weight than go to big and big and even bigger with the boards.

 

-Saying that, regarding the boards, to not kill the “rail Surfing”, smoothness, short action turns (more on waves that do not have enough size or power) better not pass the 21 inches on rocket models (up to 6 6)and 22 on fish models (but up to 6 ft) and no more than 3 thick. A modern egg could make it at 7 4 x 22 x 3 1/8 (but it s very important the rocker)

 

Lots of good designs out there but I’ve always thought that weight was the important factor. Eggs, fishes, mini mals, mini Simmons, I’ve had all of them.  I had a 7’2" X 21 1/2 “shortboard” years ago that just ripped.  I was standing on the beach at Sebastian talking to Todd Holland telling him how good it rode even if it was long.  He took it out and ripped on it.  The thing was just light.  Ride them all. Ride them light.

I don’t have a weight problem, I have an age problem.  30+ years of paddling surfboards has my neck and shoulders pretty worn out.  I need every paddling advantage I can get but I am determined to stay on shortboards for as long as my body will let me.  Figure I’ve got another 10 years before I have to give in and ride longboards.

After reading all this it is a curiosity why more of the younger surfers have not discovered the benefits of a wider board. A wider platform would really benefit Someone That was into doing airs. They would have more hang time and a much better chance of sticking the landing. I see a lot of kids here in Florida practicing doing airs in junk surf. A wide board with some meat would be fun in those conditions. As greg said keep it light and livley 

Might have to give Mike Daniels a nudge on making a wide Coil with the new Kick technology they are using

two post what can I say sometimes I just need more coffee.

my favotite board that ive riddin is the board i ride all the time.a board the local shaper at becker shaped me based off the dumpster diver. im 6’1"/6’2" and weigh about 180lb. board is 5’10"x20x2 1/2 and i feel i couldve gone an inch or so shorter!! maybe even like a 5’5" with a little more width and at 2 5/8 or so with the same nose and tail widths… just started shaping about 3 months ago and ready to experameant.

haven’t ridden anything traditional in years…  but, I also don’t hate them. Just not my thing…

 

2007-2010 evolving quiver:

2010

2013:

sold

 

hard to beat the glide, and forgiveness of a well proportioned board. right size for right rider makes or breaks it, imho…

 

Weighing over 200 Lbs, finding a board on the rack was always a challenge, and a hindrance to my progression as a surfer.

 I always wound up on a bigger wave board designed for someone much lighter.

When I finally ordered one, the shaper was confused that I didn’t want just a meatier shortboard, but something with more of a rounded nose with some volume, a lot of volume compared to what was acceptable and fashionable in the day.  What confused him even more was when I wanted it heavy.  I wanted a strong board which would not turn into mashed potatoes under my feet as all previous ones did.

When everybody was going potato chip and hyper rocker and hyper light in the early 90’s in any and all waves, I got a meaty heavily glassed rounded nose what today would be called a speed egg, though highly unrefined.  Everybody looked at it funny.  It wasn’t sexy enough for them and it was “sooooo heavy!!!”.  I loved it and was a wave catching machine and the doubters who didn’t catch half as many waves still were lock step with the pro’s in what they demanded to ride. It was limited in some conditions, and I kept trying different things, and selling them and coming back to the reliable speed egg.  I still have it, but it has not left the attic for 12 years.  It looks pretty crude with today’s eyeball.

 

 A few years later, on a different coast, I worked with the same shaper and we came up with what I’ve been riding ever since. 6’6 to 6’10"  ~14" nose and tail, 2 5/8 thick, 20 to 20.5 wide double bump swallow, squash and round pin with a nose chine.  I have tried the regular shortboard since when travelling overseas for an extended period, even getting a 6’10" Wayne Lynch Evolution in Torquay, but finding I was missing the fuller template, and not appreciating the lightness or the softness of a lighter glass job.  I had another board made for me in NZ for good waves, another 6’10", but  meaty and heavy, and it works great, in great waves, everything else, blah.

When I returned to the states almost 3 years after leaving, I pulled out the last of the speed eggs I left behind.  The shaper was dead, but the board was still alive.  I later pulled templates off it and made a HWS  round pin version of it, and that HWS has been my goto shortboard for over a decade now, but it has to be at least chest high with some push, anything smaller and I’m on an old school longboard and trying my best to surf it traditionally.

I find it amusing that the general outline, which was poo poo’d in the 90’s is now quite common to see, but in much shorter lengths, for small wave boards for smaller surfers.

While I like seeing that not everybody has to be riding a hyper performance disposable shortboard these days, I do miss the days of having a paddling advantage with little performance disadvantage in good surf and no disadvantage at all in lackluster conditions.

I have not had facilities to build a board for a while, nor have I been seeking one, but the desire is back, and I have a shed lined up to set up my table.  I am not sure what I want to build, and am keeping a keen eye out for something I can adapt to my likes, experience, and advancing years, and make another HWS “shortboard” to last me the rest of my life. Problem with HWS, is that it is so labor intensive, that experimentation to find that feel, is not much of an option.  I have not mowed foam since '98 and I never mowed much foam in the first place.

I recently tried a friend’s new 6’0" fat swallow tailed quad in some head high waves, that sunk me to above my nipples when sitting on it, and the thing was an eye opener once I got it onto open face.