dead
sammy
thrailkill surely someone has a clue mybe the man himself?
** did micky munoz visit aus if so when? no biggie **
cheers huie
I have NO idea… most of my first hand information regards my birthplace, Santa Barbara.
I try not to rely too much on what the magazines reported as time went on, discovering that they were guilty of playing favorites and having their own agenda. The ‘smart’ guys could give a free board here ‘n there to the boyz @ the mag and their riders’ pictures might show up more in an issue or two?
The surf films were ‘moving evidence’ of what was possible on waves during that era versus a guy on one rail before he fell off. And we all know some of the claims being made were self promoters vs. historians.
I still dig ALL of it, just nowdays maybe with a bit more discerning attitude of who, what, where, when.
More senseless arguments…
The omission of Greenough is glaring, but in the end, surfing seems to be (at least WAS) a collective effort. Simon vs Malcom and Duncan, Greenough vs McTavish vs Witzing… blah blah blah. A lot of people participated in a thriving community searching for more surf - whatever that meant to them at the time. In the case of the point at hand - maneuverability. Some people designed the fins, some people made the boards, some people rode them, some people filmed it and helped spread the news - they all PARTICIPATED. Trying to give ‘credit’ to one person is offensive in the same way that our society seems obsessed with 'who is the best" - ‘who is the champion?’ - ‘what is the biggest wave ridden?’ - ‘who has the most money?’ WHO CARES? - not me thats for sure - I care much more about unity, togetherness and community that pinning a ribbon on anything that is ultimately pretty irrelevant.
Points well taken.
Actually Greenough was sailing across the seas in “Morning Light” with his favorite pinball machine, having disabled the “tilt feature” in it and hooked up to his wind generator so he could play while on auto pilot. Long time claimed (by others) to be “more Aussie than Yank” his influence on McTavish, Spencer, Young, Lynch, MP nd the whole bunch of them was certainly influential and filled with camaraderie.
George is a great human being…a lot of fun to spend time with, listening to his rambling stories and wry humor. I had some fun times with him and Steve Bissell the photographer “Panamaniac”… thse moments are priceless in my mind.
http://www.surfline.com/surfing-a-to-z/george-greenough-biography-and-photos_821/
…hello DS, always good to search for the roots then study about the possible things to evolve with the designs. I do not see that too much often right now; I see new guys who are shaping (or machine shaping) bulky, “rough” undeveloped designs that are obviously that do not perform better like if they really paid attention at previous designs an enhance them… No matter what, the problem is the marketing and the perception by the customers. You know, most ASP surfers ride with the machine and the “shapers” are all guys who previously sanded boards for these types of factories, surfers, etc; so, they do not care and nobody care about the past designs; only seen as retro stuff that do not work properly to perform tricks or airs. Always some smarty that says “always be a niche” etc, nobody care about those niches and it so small even round the world AND ONLY works if you have the right Godfather or you have all the marketing hands down like this guy McCallum. —about that board, for sure in that photo looks modern however, I doubt that, if that board was really from 69, in other photos showing foil and rails, would look so modern The one that Stoneburner put looks old and from that era
Reverb, the first board that I put a thickness forward of center foil on, was in 1960. By 1969, I and a number of others, had refined board and rail foils to what people call ‘‘modern’’ today. People kept quiet about many of the design nuances they were up to. Why let a competitor know how to make a better board?
so do you have any knowledge of my question?
cheers huie
by this time these type dble enders were right up the east coast as short as 5’ but not real good at those length the one midget has here looks mor like it
i have shaped a few of those still do but add the new cut out the bad its a timeless plan shape
I completely agree… I’ve always maintained it is a monkey see monkey do busienss.
Shapers are a dime a dozen, designers quite rare.
Over the years I’ve had fun making some things appear different from what I was actually doing to throw the lemmings off the mark. One was particularly difficult to measure or understand in the era of all glassed on fins.
Nowadays, the peer pressure and status quo takes care of a lot of that concern becuz ‘everyone’ is the median age of 15 or 17 or whatnot and only want to prescribe to what pro surfers are riding.
Really?
That’s fine with me… go for it guys, you can be the next Al Merrick!
P.S… Huie, apparently no one knows if ‘The Mongoose’ ever showed up onyour shores. Check with immigration.
thanks for that dead
funny that some on here claim knowledge of everything surfing i was sure they would know that? oh well maybe he could answer weather he is full of it or?///?/////
cheers huie
Huie, my brother always teases me about making the double enders, but they are such a great outline. Doing one right now using Blue Dow XPS 6’4" x 20" x 2 1/2". Flat bottom, maybe a very slight bit of concave, very low rocker. Keeping a bit more volume under my feet on this one.
I’m amazed at the insights Midget had about the future of surfing back then. Seems he was right on the money.
lucky YOU , Rohan !
WHERE did you get to see it ??
simon and I tried for the mornington show [tonight] , but it was booked out, unfortunately …not ‘too far’ from wayne’s stomping grounds eh ?
will have to wait for the dvd release now i guess
eli said the only annoying part about the movie was , for some unknown reason , they had some seppo doing the commentary ??? weird…
wayne lynch what a legend and a GREAT surfer , for so many decades !! …he’s still walking the walk today , while others just reminisce [talk the talk]
midget is on sways
[ wisely , he stays away from threads that can easily degenerate into pissing matches or mass debates about who’s on first base first , etc ]
one more thing mickey munoz was he ever in australia any one know?
cheers huie
hi huie !!
yes !
it was he and skip frye , who mctavish is talking about his surfboards to , at Dee Why hotel [ Sydney] , in the 1969 Eric Blum movie
" the fantastic plastic machine’
here are a couple of “teasers” / trailers ’ from it …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIwCcA9sE9o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jryNFR9bWN8
[greenough , nat , and mctavish , john mooney [?!] , ted spencer , rob conneeleley , russell hughes , midget farrelly …all feature in it … and a handful of seppos , including mike purpus [!] , skip frye , mickey munoz , steve bigler , petey johnson , margo oberg , ]
the scene where they arrive at long reef , and the commentary by the american regarding board design is both interesting and a bit telling , too . haaaaaa !
the announcer in the contest at palm beach ?
… the late snowy mcallister !
oh yeah , and the late Al Byrne , features in the new zealand footage , too…
** **cheers !
ben
Look at Bob surf.
Look at Bob turn.
Turn Bob turn!
See Bob’s feet.
See where Bob’s feet are.
Bob’s feet are far forward.
Bob’s feet are turning from way forward.
See Bob’s board.
Bob’s board has deep vee.
Bob’s deep vee turns from way forward!
Turn Bob turn!
thanks for that ben but if only i had your innocense? there is so much bull f!!!king shit by these so called movie gooks ‘’
unless you were there and old enough to actualy understand and remember a 14-15yr old is still jerkin himself behind the milk shed - then you will be mesmerised by the swizel stickers as history fades into the distant past
along with the facts
cheers huie
Munoz went to Australia in 1968 for a contest. It is well documented in The Fantastic Plastic Machine.
Basically, the Windansea Club went to compete down there and were still riding typical 9’ plus boards. They were met by the Aussies with a bunch of odd looking boards that were decidedly shorter than what the Americans had. There’s a scene where McTavish sits and talks design with a couple of guys (Frye and Munoz, I think?) and another where Mac gives an impromptu tour of Syndey on a public bus.
I guess I was hunting my HD for that image while fins was writing his reply?
That’s the cover of my DVD copy of the movie
cheers guys
yeah i was only 7 at the time huie
…,…so …
…my gherkin jerkin days were not yet in full …er…swing …so to speak
heheh
**no worries ben i am sick of this subject it should be banned from here **
i have no more to say on it.
but i still like to shape a dble ender when i can
cheers huie
…I’ve met a few ladies over the years who ENJOY riding double enders