To help with tip time.

I’m sure it’s been done although I have never seen it in person, Would it help AT ALL to scoop out the top tail section of a longboard to create a direction for water to flow into as the tail is submersed during nose riding?

Cheers!

Look up cooperfishsurfboards.com and search around, you’ll see them…and then you’ll realize you just spent an hour looking at the entire site.

Hey Ray,

Check out a late 1960’s? longboard called the holmsley “sidewinder”. It had two cut outs roughly 24 inches up from the tail, one on each side that I think was used to “shovel” up water over the tail for noseriding. Is that what you are talking about? I might have a picture of it somewhere if I can find it. Matador makes a knock off of the original sidewinger (see pic below)

Troy

not sure what you mean, but tyler hatzikian’s riddler has a stepdeck, which helps with turns and noseriding.

I had a Dusty Rhodes Spider in 1967 that had a scooped out tail. To explain it better, imagine a “U” shape in the last 6-8"of the tail on the deck side. I also believe that Surfboards Hawaii had a nose rider model in that era with the same set up. Possibly the Model A.

There were quite a few shapes that used a scooped deck tail in the 60s. Rick UFO is one that comes to mind.

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Hey Ray,

Check out a late 1960’s? longboard called the holmsley “sidewinder”. Matador makes a knock off of the original sidewinger

Similar. The Holmesy had two channels up the rails, and the deck was sunk a bit. The concept of a scooped tail deck taken to an extreme, with some frills.

Troy/SammyA - Thanx for the pics! Those aft rail shovels are definitely extreme. Way more than I was thinking though. I’d love to take one of those Holmesy’s for a spin. With all the hype of concaves under the nose I’m surprised I haven’t seen any of this incorperated on the deck of the tail section on a modern nose rider. Gonna give it a go I guess. Maybe my new trade mark!

I used to surf with kim Neilson, Holmseys main rider, he could clock so much tip time on his Sidewinder.

We were at Atlantic City, NJ, surfing Gas Chambers, you would have thought he would spin out on the tip on those hollow waves, but just kept curling those toes over the tip.

Danny Herlihy has some old footage of Kim Neilson and Tommy Ferguson surfing on their Holmesy Sidewinders on the island of Martinique. It was incredible the way the boards acted like a cantilever. It seemed like they were suspended in mid air sometimes with the tail stuck back in the wave anchored.

There have been a lot of boards made over the years with dished out decks on the tail section. The Surfboards Hawaii Noserider comes immediately to mind. Jim, you’ve shaped a few of those haven’t you?

Bud Gardner used to shape a model called the GTO that had that feature too.