By the way. Those surftechs are total junk. They ride like crap and are made from styrofoam, like the two dollar coolers at Wal Mart. Seriously: styrofoam. But they are good for beginners who have no clue. Well if you say so fairymont. Maybe you should ask Lance or Dino about how they ride. Or better yet try riding one of those Cfishies in a real wave , not those slow mushy summer waves in california , gulf , or east coast.
Don’t get me wrong Lance and Dino seem like great guys and they surf well too.But anybody riding an epoxy is a donkey nutsack. Leave those pop out pool toys in da store where they belong.They might be good boards for beginners and we all know Lance & Dino are has beens any way.
On the subject of Tudors, CFs, SurfTechs, pop outs. If you have the thousand bucks to spend and feel satisfied in your purchase, good for you. No ones twisting your arm to buy it. While SurfTechs, other pop outs and imports arent for every one, they might be the ticket for some. One guy I know has improved quite a bit since riding a SurfTech, and he was pretty good to start with. There are two others I know that told me they really like the Gotcha import they got at Sam’s Club. One of them taking his 7’4" fun shape out in solid 8’ Makaha and handling it. I guess the point I’m trying to make is, ride what you like and if youre having fun thats all that matters, no matter if youre riding a thousand dollar immaculate conception, a Chinese fortune cookie, or something you shaped yourself. By the way, for has beens, Lance and Dino can really charge big Pipe and Haleiwa.
Don’t get me wrong Lance and Dino seem like great guys and they surf well too.But anybody riding an epoxy is a donkey nutsack. Leave those pop out pool toys in da store where they belong.They might be good boards for beginners and we all know Lance & Dino are has beens any way. ignorance is bliss. you need to check it out cause your so wrong.
Yes, a Cooperfish Nosedevil is for slow, mushy surf. No kidding. But why do I also have a 7,6 pintail? Why do I have a performance longboard? Why do I have a 6,7 tri fin? Why do I have churchills? Not all of Calfornia’s (or the East Coast’s) waves are small and mushy. In fact, outside of Jaws, no one is getting bigger surf than in California (and in water that would satisfy penguins). Hawaii has great surf and great surfers, but that warm water, along with very predictable paddling channels, and top notch lifeguards, makes paddling out in ten foot surf a lot more comfortable than the same size and power in CA. California is cold and powerful in the winter, and there isn’t a lifeguard in sight after Labor Day. I paddled out at Waimea Bay when it was intimidating (to me, at least) and I don’t think I would try that size on a cold, foggy winter morning in San Francisco. Getting rolled underwater in cold water is like swimming with only one lung. On another note, I’m not saying there shouldn’t be Surftechs. I’m just saying that they are for beginners, and I doubt the good surfers like Carson, Dino, etc are riding them (unless it’s time to make an ad). And, yes, they are made of styrofoam. God knows why. They seem to think a board that is three pounds lighter will make a difference. If lighter boards are so important for speed, moves, etc., then maybe we should get strong boards instead, and simply lose three pounds of body weight. I mean, I weigh 200 pounds. If my board weighs 7 pounds or 4 pounds, what’s the difference? There is still a 200 pound gorilla on top of it.
bag man …more than $11oo.oo morey told me he wanted to sell the original penetrator I told him to trade it for a piece of land .any takers? 21degree latitude or less preferentially . ambrose
On another note, I’m not saying there shouldn’t be Surftechs. I’m just saying >that they are for beginners, and I doubt the good surfers like Carson, Dino, >etc are riding them (unless it’s time to make an ad). And, yes, they are made >of styrofoam. God knows why. They seem to think a board that is three pounds >lighter will make a difference. If lighter boards are so important for speed, >moves, etc., then maybe we should get strong boards instead, and simply lose >three pounds of body weight. I mean, I weigh 200 pounds. If my board weighs 7 >pounds or 4 pounds, what’s the difference? There is still a 200 pound gorilla >on top of it. Inertia and torque. Try adding a two pound weight at each end of your board. Now do some quick manouvers on it. Feel the difference then remove them. Try the same manouvers. Same difference(if it wasn’t for the weight distribution not being like that). I’m not saying weight of the board is going to matter alot for you, it depends on weight and you riding style. I’m just saying it might have a some benefits. regards, Håvard
check page 60-61 in the new longboarder. yes , your right , only for beginers.
Havard: I see a lot of references to “corkiness”, “inertia”, and “torque” in these BB’s and I have to chime in as a technical professional (all you other scientists please back me or tell me I’m wrong). The surfer and surfboard is a system in the ocean. When you figure out if you are going to sink or paddle, you take the total weight of the system (board + rider) and divide by the total volume (in this case board only since the rider is mostly out of the water except for the brief moments when your arm is in the water to paddle). If the ratio is greater than 64 pounds per cubic foot (density of sea water), you are going to sink. If the ratio is less than 64, you are going to float. Given the volumes and weights we are talking about (boards are around 2.7 to 3.3 cubic feet, board plus rider is usually in the 170 to 250 pound range) in most cases you float. For the difference in weight between an epoxy vs. polyester board, I would think the difference is negligible and the rider would hardly notice. I would think the difference is in the volume of board that you have. A longer, bigger board would definitely feel “corky” because of the volume displaced. The controlling weight in the system is the rider who is on the order of 10 times heavier than his/her board. The example you gave is slightly flawed in that 2 pounds of weight are not concentrated at the ends of the board but distributed uniformly through the glass, resin, and foam. For a 7 to 8 foot board, that is only about .50 pounds per foot, which would have very minimal effects to rotational inertia. On torque, the rider is one who provides the “torque” in the case of surfing. The board is an inanimate object without any power source. It is the rider’s ability to rotate his/her hips/knees/arms in turning a planing board on the surface of a wave that determines the force and moment arm required to define torque. There is no inherent “torque” in a board except its rotational inertia as defined by how the weight of glass, resin, and foam is distributed through the length of the board. Sorry, I sometimes get a little carried away when technical terms are used… Oh yeah, Dino is cool. Don’t knock him if you can’t beat him.
the whole thing with lightness, and i’m not being scientific at all, is feel. and yes, the rider can “feel” the difference of two pounds or less. strength and lightness together are a huge plus. as for a board “floating” the rider, in a lot of shortboard cases, the rider is sinking the board while waiting for a wave, but a lot of these guys get the board up and moving across the water with paddling strength. once up, the volume factor is lessened, that’s when rocker, bottom configuration and outline become a bigger factor. just my 2 cents! btw- as for lance and dino, i agree, don’t knock 'em if you can’t beat, they both still rip!