Yikes!,
That’s a trip down memory lane. Is that new, or referb’d old? More photos please, bottom, fins etc.
Yin and Yang…
- Ok Guys- Who made The Toros California Surfboard (5’10"), and where does it come from?-
Apologies to all who’ve seen this little (5’2") beast before…
9" Fin
back in the early 70’s i had a board something like that called a shoe. it was made by a company called newport. they originally made belly boards. the shoe 5’2" had an inverted deck with a neoprene deck patch. i want to say it had two or three fin boxes. i bought it at ron jons in cocoa beach. hard to remember back then as most of the time i was stoned to the gills. if anyone has any pictures or info i’d love to see one again.
thanks charlie
LQW-
That’s a hoot. The Shoe was the first new (not used) surfboard I owned. Saved my pesos up and mail ordered one. They roped me in with that illustration of the guy doing the full 360 off the lip. I still have some 8mm movies riding that thing. You’ll get a reply from someone with a copy of the ad from the magazine, its been posted before. I think Chipfish saved a copy.
Tom Sterne
here’s [part of a ] ‘hull’ thread of 'Shwuz’s, which was also featuring the brown vintage s-deck I mentioned …
Re: [Shwuz] Rode a hull today [In reply to] Quote | Reply
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Friend of mine snapped his regular ride, so he’s been out on an old brown, no name, honest to goodness hull. Its about a 6’10", belly all the way to about 14" from tail, pinched rails throughout. A friend of his pulled it out of a dumpster, if you can believe that.
It was the oddest thing I have ever ridden, and that superlative includes consideration of my first outing on the penguin. It just didn’t respond like anything I had ever set my feet upon. I finally stopped trying to surf the damned thing, and just rode it… It definitely didn’t want to turn off the rail, the only way to get any kind of turn was major pressure on the tail. Is that pretty typical for a hull? One thing I can say about it, even though I couldn’t surf it worth a damn… When I did manage to stay on top of it, it had the coolest glide I’ve ever felt, like it was of the wave instead of on the wave.
Anyway, thought I’d share, since you guys are the only reason I even knew what the design was called. When I told my buddy that it was a hull he said, "yeah, that sounds about right… Because it sure as hell isn’t a surfboard. "
…the above describes better than I could how hard I find my 6’10 “Wilderness” hull to ride.
Backhand , I can’t figure it out AT ALL ! I’ve had it out in up to head high and a LITTLE bit bigger hollow days, and blew too many waves I’d normally make on my other boards.
I've ridden it about thirty times...maybe I just plain suck...
ben
I WILL persevere, however…one day I might suss it …who knows ? Rob Conneeley and George both said it needs a solid Angourie-type wave to really get it going [as you guys comments also seem to confirm. Thanks for that !]
p.s. - Shwuz, did yours also have an s-deck ? [see below… deck photo]
bottom…
the big blue
Journeyman
Nov 3, 2004, 11:33 PM
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Re: [cleanlines] ] Rode a hull today [In reply to] Quote | Reply
It is interesting for me to see such an outline with a hull bottom. I am a recent hull-convert, but have been riding hull bottom stubbies/eggs that are a lot wider overall, with rounded tails and noses. That Wilderness board is a curious one – '70s outline with an older-school bottom. Thanks for the photos Chip. "
cheers,
ben
Aloha Bill,
This board is old, but looks like it has never been ridden. Based on its flipped nose, diamond tail and glassing, I was told that it was probably shaped in the late 60’s or early 70’s. I would be very interested to hear how the s-decks worked for you. What type of waves did they excel in?
I’ve yet to ride the board myself. Because of it’s good condition, I’m trying to find out if this board would be of any interest to collectors before I wax it up.
Wow!! That brings back some memories. Toros were built in Miami in the early 70’s by this Nicaraguan guy. My brother had a beautiful egg they made that had Zig Zag man art on the deck. We were both in high school then.
hi chipfish, I would have just posted a picture of my board, but your cut + paste from surfresearch.com does it much more justice, thanks!
ps. trying to locate better pics of the Brock Wilderness board I have (s deck also, hand drawn logo), it’s the “hullyist” (if there is such a word) board I have seen, certainly is shorter than yours and wider, the old pic attached does not do the hull justice. Suspect could be 67/68 but you probably could advise.
cheers
bluey
There was a “Shoe” model by Con Surfboards… features included (as previously mentioned) three fin boxes, concave deck, “stepped”
deck/rails - i.e. edge along deck where rails were suddenly thinned out. The new “Seven” and “Beach Beat” fish boards have the same sort of deck design some 35 years later.
One of the Con team guys, Larry Sheflo, was a standout at Malibu. To this day I don’t think I’ve seen anybody crank off the top like he did on his Shoe. He would generate a lot of speed down the line by drawing out his top turns as long as his bottom turns. On some pretty big days I watched him consistently tear his way from outside second point all the way to the pier on many waves. I think his board was sub 6 feet.
http://www.larryobrien.com/twoshoe.htm
http://www.beachbeat.com.au/surfbstepdeck.php
http://surfindustries-west.mwrc.net/en/product.php?product_id=5711
wow !!
so , ‘bluey’ …is that YOUR shoe on surfresearch ??
did you move to england recently , then ??
is it just me , or does that chris brock s-deck actually curve downwards in the deck in the TAIL area , too ?
do you have a shot of the FIN , and the bottom of that board too please , ‘bluey’ ?
cheers !
ben
…I just remembered … young Josh emailed Chris Brock fairly recently …it might be worth it for you too ?
… Chris might have info on that board !
I got in touch with George Greenough AND Rob Conneeley regarding my one , to get a bit of background on it and the fin . Both were VERY helpful ! [Chris Brock was , I believe , George’s neighbour for MANY years , apparently . I’m not sure if he still is , maybe ?? … [JOSH , where ARE you , buddy ?!]
Hi Ben
Yes, it’s mine, bought at Sydney Surf Auction a few years back.
Back to Aust in a week or so, will take some better pics of the Wilderness for you, have not had a good look at the board for a couple of years, but yes I think you are right about the tail, but I think the delam (what a shame!) is exagerating the curve. Suspect could be one of his early ones, with hand drawn Wilderness Greenough Design logo’s, would not mind getting email address for Chris Brock if somebody has it. Here’s a bit bigger pic;
Just in case you are interested, attached a pic of a c.67 Farrelly spoon picked up Kent, UK of all places, looks better in real life (somebody made a bad job of putting black resin on the rails, but looks like it will come off easily) probably shaped by Midget or otherwise by Paul Conners.
Also as you are over in WA have also attached an interesting Cordingley mal, 1965, great concave nose. Spoken to Len Dibben about the shapers initials (MF) and he did not know of anybody arround WA shaping at that time with those initials (would you have any idea?), who knows the blank could have been shaped by Midget and sent over to WA?
Cheers
Henry
wow ,
where are you from in Australia , originally ??
bert burger would probably be interested to see those boards …[I seem to remember a photo post of his with some 60s mals in it !] …as would “Platty” , I’m SURE !!
"M.F. " …it probably was a midget shape [or blank?] , I’m guessing ?
was the spoon red-railed , like George’s were ?
also , do you have a shot of the hand drawn greenough design logo , please ?
…I’d like to compare it to mine …
cheers !
ben
Ben
Uk orginally, but grew up in Perth (80’s) local beach Cott, then UK, back to Aust, Perth (1996-2000) + Sydney (2000 - 2005).
When get back to Sydney next month, will send you high res pics of the Wilderness and dimensions (will need your email address).
Spoon’s just purple tint all over, apparently Farrelly experimented with them for a very short period as he had a serious crew a kneeboarders in and arround his Brooky factory at the time, they then shortly left and set up Crozier (info from Bruce Hart)
On the WA track, picked this bellyboard / paipo up a few years ago in Perth, never seen anything like it before or since. Appears to be marine ply, fibreglass, and gel coated. Unbelievably good condition for age, on my next trip over (April) will take it down south west as feels like it needs some power to get it going! (like a spoon). Apparently there is another one in Perth, but not sure if they were made in WA. Assume would be mid/late 60’s but am happy to be corrected.
(apologies to all for moving away from the orginal thread discussion, but I would be really interested if anybody has seen or experienced riding anything similar)
Cheers
Henry
shane shoe kneeboard, 5’, circa 1971
Robbo, heard that there were less than 20 shane shoes made, all ones I have seen were different in some way, did that shane shoe sell at the auction ?
Here’s a Jackson along similar lines, just narrower and pointer in the nose
Cheers
Henry
