Oneula, Are you in the pool a lot drifting about as much as you can to keep things stretched out and in some kind of water activity shape!? You don’t want the rest of your body forgettng what being in swim shape is. I’ve been restricted to daily pool activity for about a month now. First try at board paddeling failed 2 weeks ago but sore shoulder is getting better with slow build up in the pool.
Thanks and yes I was told the same by a couple of others who went thru a a long term of PT
The “forced manipulation” is a last resort option and will only be used if long term PT doesn’t resolve the problem.
I did bring it up with my ortho but unfortunately I belong to Kaiser Permanente (HMO) and they won’t do it unless its absolutely necessary not just because I want them to do it to go surfing again which was probably the wrong reason to give them since I originally hurt it (slight tear of the rotator/MRI) surfing.
I think they will reconsider afet 6 months of rehab since these cases can go 1-2 years before releasing.
My sister had it for two years and basically swam back stroke everyday to try and loosen of it.
My PT said the freestyle is the worse motion for this type of injury especially with the torque from pulling your weight at the top of the stroke until you get to 90 degrees
3 ladies in my office have it and have been going to PT for years
one gal I recently sold some of my boards to said she had it and was going to PT and accupuncture for a year before she had the manipulation which hurt like hell right after but got better fairly quickly.
since I can’t jog with my knees, I’m taking up biking to and from the beach (20 minutes on way) for now to keep the cardio up and drop some of this accumulated dormancy weight
weird in that my shoulder is making all kinds of strange cracking noises now as I do my best to keep it moving around but my range of motion is getting smaller and smaller
I have this 12’6" Munoz standup board I picked up after knee surgery thinking I was doomed to that and never used it but I don;t think I can pull a stroke with a paddle yet. But I might try that as well when the wind is favorable. Problem will be getting the board on and off the roof racks.
mahalo
In lifeguarding class in the 70’s we were taught the first thing to do when approaching a drowning victim was to punch them in the face to get them to back off and quit panic-ing then come from behind and pull them from behind so they can’t grab you and drown you too. Don’t know why you would do a deadman other than to strengthan your breath holding. We were all waterpolo players back them who could butterfly faster than most could freestyle or tread water with our hands on our silly waterpolo caps for ever. Punching someone in the face was a common waterpolo technique back then so it rand a bell with us. It was well known that eastern block olympian level hole players would practice treading water to get their head high enough to breathe with another smaller team member sitting on their shoulders. With thighs as big as my waist and atnding 6’4" or bigger it was no problme for those animals.
I don’t know if these wavejet boards have enough power to make a difference in the kind of conditions of waves and currents when you’d need them as a life guard. An open ocean lifeguard could probably paddle one of those 12’ lifeguard boards just a fast.
Oneula…
I listen to this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kelly+starrett+shoulder+mobility
hope it helps.
james Waslaski,lmt
…ambrose…
frozen shoulder or hip
avoid surgery for pro baseball
shoulders…
jet pump drive shoulder implants
will make paddling obsolete
by 2030.
I wanted to see what, if anything, their website might say and found this:
We regret to announce that WaveJet has decided to cease production of its surfboards. This decision was a very difficult one. Over the past 5 years, WaveJet has developed exciting new technology and products that truly revolutionized the surfing industry. Our products were so innovative and groundbreaking that WaveJet was awarded numerous patents and was the recipient of awards including the prestigious 2012 Silver Medal Edison Award.
Our surfboards allowed beginners to learn much faster and easier, older and physically challenged surfers to stay in the game, and professionals to catch waves that before WaveJet were only accessible by tow in. WaveJet offered SUP enthusiasts a super fun and safer experience by eliminating the all-too-often experienced possibility of getting stranded due to inability to fight wind or current to return to shore.
WaveJet rescue boards also offered the lifesaving and rescue community the demonstrated capability of saving lives by allowing much faster access and return to shore for swimmers in distress without the rescuer needing to paddle and expend energy better used to assist the person in distress. Unlike jet skis, WaveJet’s rescue boards could be easily carried and launched by a single rescuer.
Unfortunately, however, the technology needed to assure the utility, safety and durability of our products came at too great a cost. We have determined that it simply is not possible to solve this cost/demand issue without compromising the integrity of the products.
Again, we wish that this decision was not necessary. WaveJet is a healthy and well financed company. All of our suppliers have already been paid in full and we will, of course, honor all warrantee and service commitments to our many satisfied customers.
At WaveJet we are proud of our achievements and are grateful for the consistent support and enthusiasm that we have received from our valued suppliers and customers.
Sincerely,
Team WaveJet
As lame as their products.
“I think they will reconsider afet 6 months of rehab since these cases can go 1-2 years before releasing.”
Unfortunately, frozen shoulders can also become permanent. In some cases, the longer the wait, the more it can encapsulate.
Kaiser and other HMO’s are notoriously conservative in doing anything seen even remotely as optional, as being capitated (flat fee per patient regardless of level of medical care) systems they are incentivized to provide less care, not more, as they cannot charge the patients as PPO’s do.
With that said, the key to managing any physican/surgeon in cases like this is pain. Doc’s are extremely sensitive to pain management, as it is the #1 issue that causes them to be sued and/or recieve poor ratings by the organization they work for.
So you need to complain that your shoulder is getting worse. That your movement is getting more restricted. That common things like opening the fridge, moving the garbage, etc, etc are getting to hurt all the time. Don’t even mention surfing. Make an appt to complain about the increasing pain. 2 weeks later, another visit to complain again, just getting worse…
Your medical records are legal documents, and pain reporting red flags which are actively scrutinized by varous health care teams in Kaiser (worked for them as a consultant in the past). Responding appropriately to patient pain is the single biggest issue in healthcare patient care, and complaining about pain is the most effective way to change conservative treatment plans to more agressive ones.
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Golden advice Icc. Mike
thanks
as far as pain
after five months on oxycodone for my knee replacement recovery last year
my primary pulled me off of it saying something about it showing as a red flag that I might be getting addicted
she moved me to hydrocodone which was as good as aspirin in my opinion
currently popping 4 night time advil with some alcohol to get through the night (not good for my liver I know)…
but even that still doesn’t get me through the night
the position of sleeping is the worst, so I am usually waken by sharp pain through the night as my arm goes into one wrong position or another as you sleep and roll around.
but one oxycodone and I’m out for at least four solid hours
its just the horrible constipation and sometimes insomnia you get from using it too much.
I told my doctor about the amount of pills and alcohol I was taking just to try and sleep
and it didn’t even phase them, maybe when it get to half a bottle of pills and some booze
they’ll feel sorry.
might sound stupid but I’ve been on a collagen and bioastin regime for a little over a month.
The PT said the collagen will just come out my rear and not get absorbed into my joints but I’ll give it a try till the bottles are empty.
At least with the bioastin I shouldn’t get sunburn (locals secret sunscreen)
getting old sucks
I might need to take up yoga later when I get better to try and stay limber and injury free
Ambrose that osteo massage therapy looks good, My PT does soemthing similar just before he measures my range of motion, now I know why…
Wish there was someone certified here that does that…
“its just the horrible constipation”
take Magnesium Citrate, 2000 milligrams a day, excellent laxative, and good for bones as well. Most adults are short on magnesium as it is. Swanson’s online is an excellent source for it and other supplements, good quality, good price.
Shouldn’t have to be living like this, Oneula, you’re not getting the care you need.
Time to start kicking up a serious fuss to get the treatment you need to get back your quality of life.
use this phase every time you talk to your doc. You’re in so much pain and discomfort, your quality of life sucks, and now you feel like you’re going into a serious depression. You feel like you’re at the end of your rope with this thing.
And there is no way you’re not depressed, we all are after weeks and months of non-stop pain.
The pain in my frozen shoulder was non-stop like a bad toothache, just never went away. After the manipulation, it was gone.
Time to lean on them…hard
Oneula.
Try glucosamine, the good stuff with chondritin and msm.
Whenever im feeling achy or generally stiff and inflexible that stuff really works. It can take a few weeks to get into your system and you have to take a fair few tablets but its great stuff. I dont usually believe in taking medication as I dont usually feel any effect, but this stuff really work.
Your problem seems pretty bad but I still rekon its worth a go to see if you get any improvement
Oneula,
Everyone’s a bit different. My wife had a frozen shoulder and they do take time to heal. Then suddenly it was ok. The advice she got was to keep moving as much as possible but not to the point of excessive pain.
I have two crook shoulders (history of rotator cuff problems, joint degeneration, a muscle tear and other wear and tear). I had a cortison injection, which I was told would be like magic, but it wasn’t. When I do bench presses, it is with a bar and no weight because of the shoulder impingment I get. Lifting stuff overhead is something I avoid. I could barely lift shopping bags for a while. One shoulder went out and so did the other.
I do daily posterior capsule stretches, which includes the behind the back movement that you described. A fundamental aim of these exercises besides stretching, is to get the arm to sit in the shoulder joint properly. The old adage of shoulders back and down, with trapezious gently squeezed is to be listened to. Check if the humeral head, front of your shoulder is pulled forward/shoulders are rounded forward. If so (computer work is the enemy of good posture) it means your shoulder isn’t sitting optimally in the socket. This can cause pain. Often neck stiffness can contribute. No overnight cure, but posture contributes to optimal longer term shoulder functioning. Deeper tissue massage can be helpful.
If there is an osteo-arthritis component (likely if you’ve broken anything or knocked yourself about - e.g football) glucosamine + condroitin, as suggested can be very helpful. Doesn’t work for everyone but I found I don’t take panadol osteo very often now.
I’ve read breaststroke is kinder on the rotator cuffs.
I do very modified yoga, which also helps. Nothing is done to point of pain. I know what you mean by pain & sleeping. A physiotherapist suggested tucking the shoulder under a little so you ar elying on the shoulder pad (slightly athe back) rather than squarely on the side of the shoulder head. It takes some practice.
Anything that gets you in the water is good (for me this is paipo). I was in contact with Kokua recently, he was itching to find a way to just be in salt water. With these sort of injuries, whatever they are, long term goals are important. Slowly, step by step is hard but the capacity to keep surfing is worth it.
Bob