wegener vid

General Discussion
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the pinacle of polynesian surfing was achieved

in an ocean named for peace by the spanish explorers.

at a time when europe had decended into the darkness

of the middle ages.

give or take 400 years.

consider that genius is adapted

to availiable environmental limits

them old hawaiian Alii

were up to something

we could perhaps understand better with a little open mindedness

the fact that some may be satisfied with

coopting the name only

of the olo or for that matter alaia

is well and good .

It does not dilute my interest in

alernative trim quests.

Within your imposed limits cousin roy

you are indeed the greatest surfer

and surfboard designer

the world has ever known.

and relative to this imposed criterion

all others are kooks.

"time will tell

just who has fell

and who’s been left behind

when you go your way and I go mine"*

we are to a man behind you roy

no need to look

we are behind you.

and waiting for you to return

from the mount with the stone tablets

emperors new clothes?

''give me a malo and a coconut hat

one for this ,and da utha fo dat’’

jus like da mayor,of kaunakakai…

we all know he had to surf

…ambrose…

go wegner kid go

thats hot.

*dob dylan

“obviously 5 believers”

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history = foundation

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see history

raise foundation and empire

may asimov rest in peace.

he was not

a scot

…ambrose…

do’nt look

under the kilt

of a cadaver

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I see that we are changing the subject to Scotsmen

Here is my Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Grandfather, painted in London 1753 by Frances Reynolds, oil on ivory.

Painting in possession of my Aunt.

Charles was very much in favour of fins.

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see, you’ve gone and looked under the cadaver’s kilt.

Wegener’s friend was feeling the magic. You could see and feel it. Something I don’t see, or feel when I watch olosurfer.com.

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Each to their own Laddie

In the words of Bill Hamilton, surfing is the act of " moving over terrain with your mind "

Some like to move over terrain with jumps and hops, sliding sideways and going nowhere. … others like to take longer strides and see larger distances.

Cheers epac

:slight_smile:

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slicing!

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Seems this discussion was meant to be sharing Tom Wegeners stoke at looking at the past roots of surfing - an area of experimentaion that’s of interest to most of us and really cool to see history brought to life in a way.

It’s ridiculous to be attacking an ancient technology using a modern surfing outlook - it’s not what this is about.

Roy, can you say hypocrite?!

You make boards influenced by Tom Blake that are firmly rooted in the 40’s, - which is cool, but they barely turn and don’t perform as well as a modern surfboard - but that’s your trip and most people repect that - until you start putting shit on others.

I really like what Tom Wegener is doing, it’s great to glimse how the ancients may have surfed - kudos to him!

I also have a fully functioning BS meter.

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So it’s ok for Tom Wegener to say “The ancient Hawaiians went faster than us”. . … . without any attempt to measure the speed which the ancient board replicas can achieve ?. . … and posting footage which shows that they can’t even make a ten foot section! . . . while I get told that my boards don’t perform as well as a modern surfboard even though I have proven that they are much faster than a modern surfboard !

Regarding Tom Blake’s influence on my designs. . … it isn’t really the case, in general if there is any resemblance between Tom’s boards and mine it is because of a parallel mode of thinking. . . . I design from first principles and I suspect that Tom did the same. . . . it just so happens that the solutions we arrived at are (in some cases ) similar in SOME respects.

One exception to this is that upon realising that my 12 foot ‘future primitive’ design (the planshape of which is based on a fin cross section) is similar looking to the Blake 13’9" lifeguard model, I designed a 13’9" as a tribute to Blake.

You mention Tom Blake’s boards from the thirties and forties. . . … in my opinion they are an improvement in functional terms on the Ancient Hawaiian boards. … … . it’s not just a case of me bagging old stuff while copying it myself, I take each design on its individual merits. . … . . . and on that basis it seems likely that the ancient olo board would be unbeatable in certain conditions. I would really like to see Tom Weegener’s ancient olo replica in the kind of waves it was designed for, it would be unbeatably fast, given it’s weight and high dsiplacement lift characteristic. It was disappointing seeing it out in a wave it wasn’t suited to.

As for ‘barely turning’, that’s absloute nonsense, my boards turn very well, certainly my 17 footer is extremely loose compared with the Wegener 16 footers.

.This thread is on a public forum, and should be open to comment on the designs posted, you can’t quarantine the discussion so that only the ‘yeah guy’ stuff is allowed, i’m making critical observations, the same as you do to my stuff.

What I am saying is that I am very interested in what Tom Wegener is doing, that’s why I’m here. …

I suggest that you just accept that a variety of views exist . . . . and that it is MUCH MORE INTERESTING to talk about these designs honestly and in detail. . . with the rose couloured glasses off. . … . it gets boring just to endlessly parrot “wow stoked” ALL the time don’t you think?

You will notice that I said that Tom Wegener deserves respect for his research and efforts to bring these designs back and find out what they are like. … please remember this, I said it because I meant it ok ?

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thanks for posting that link poser. i would have missed it otherwise.

the guy riding the stand up alaia at ti tree is jacob stuth. he lives in noosa & rides a very varied quiver very well. he’s obviously enjoying the challenge of sliding a replica of an ancient surfboard across a wave, & his skill level is obvious to anyone who has attempted to ride the alaias.

it’s different surfing. it’s difficult surfing. it’s beautiful surfing. it’s not better or worse. it’s just another way to trim a board across a band of moving energy.

once again, roy interferes in a thread by writing about his own surfboards. surprise, surprise.

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All roads lead to Rome.

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once again, roy interferes in a thread by writing about his own surfboards. surprise, surprise.

That’s bloody unfair Oldy, go and read the thread again mate, I was talking about Tom Wegener’s boards, but as usual some other poster starts talking about my boards instead, this happens often. … . and I have to answer the comments, then it looks like all I want to talk about is my boards. . … . it’s really just a troll tactic, baiting me to get me to talk about myself. . . . then the trolls go “Oh look there he goes talking about himself again”

As I said, I came here talking about Tom’s boards, the hijack belonged to some other respected members (ambrose for one) but I take the blame.

I made some reasonable comments and am showing a detailed interest in Tom’s boards, so back off and stop accusing me of something I didn’t do

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You will notice that I said that Tom Wegener deserves respect for his research and efforts to bring these designs back and find out what they are like. … please remember this, I said it because I meant it ok ?

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More oil needed for the old BS meter, it's redlining again !

The team rider fell off every wave except the last one, the boards appear to be only marginally functional.

I think that overall, Tom’s T shirt said it all.

roy said that

Roy, can you say hyp

squiddy said that {with appologies to tower of power}

What I am saying is that I am very interested in what Tom Wegener is doing, that’s why I’m here. … [somewhat between the lines of that first remark]

You will notice that I said that Tom Wegener deserves respect for his research and efforts to bring these designs back and find out what they are like. … please remember this, I said it because I meant it ok ?

clearly missing in the snipe in post at top of this page.

characteristic lack of tact.

clearly missing is the wish to percive alternatives beyond specialized

concern in the control group of study topix of the roy stewart university.

who is tom bloke ?

and what is his origin?

is he a clever or not so clever

name morph

attempt to lamprey onto a formerly respected

surfing ‘greater than life shamless promoter of the 1930s’?

what is an olo surfboard?

an ancient finless surf board

in the bishop museum.

also a para-neo-design name coopted by tom blake

to accredate his hurdy gurdy design promotions

ridden by the accomodating Duke.

the same Duke

who lived a life in fear

of jeopardising his amatuer status

in the eyes of the olympic comitee.

when has the decendant of scottish nobility ,roy stewart ,

taken personal responsibility for his opinions

by signing his real name

to posts on this surfboard design forum?

not since before he was banned

as to comparing apples and oranges

ala roystewart’svs tomwegner’s

both barley turners are wounded designs compared

to : DUH DAT DAT TA DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

my greatest of all time in the history of the universe

trans galactic cross polinated

Delphic inspired organic computer generated

hand wrought one of a kind

plastic iconoclastic

chromatic harmonic

sans electronic

butlarian Jihad endorsed

morsel of climatic bliss

endorphinic mystery trend

timencapsulated

inspirational leap to the void.

that I fall off of.

[I just killed a mosquitto infront of my computer screen]

{methinx it is the oracle of the blue campfire.]

as I have stated unclear and obscurely in the past

I respect and admire my self

over and over and over again throughout

my waking existance

and alas my accomplissh ments

in my eyes outshine any others

I have ever seen

because I don’t care to consider any of them

any more seriously than

myy name

“Plebious Maximus”

bestowed upon me by myself

…ambrose…

http:::www…Truncated Timebetterspent AWOL.organicyourname here.com.

“I get no respect”

rodney dangerfield

may he rest in peace

:frowning:

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You will notice that I said that Tom Wegener deserves respect for his research and efforts to bring these designs back and find out what they are like. … please remember this, I said it because I meant it ok ?

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[/rejjply];…

What Tom is doing is fascinating from a historical point of view, and IMO he deserves respect for taking the time and effort to explore those old boards to their fullest extent. . . but the still kind of suck from n terms of function.

.[I /reply Therefore I ambrose

roy said "Altogether different because we measure the speed, whereas T. Wegener just says "The ancient Hawaiians went way faster than us " (total speculation based on nothing at all )

another light encouragement

"Yeah and if you want to fall off as soon as the tiniest section appears, then it’s the ideal board :slight_smile: "

from thomas Psuedonimbus

That’s bloody unfair Oldy, go and read the thread again mate, I was talking about Tom Wegener’s boards,

all I want to talk about is my boards. . …

As I said, I came here talking about Tom’s boards,

the hijack belonged to ambrose

TADAAAAAAAAAAA

"I made some reasonable comments " said roy

roy stewart style

leaving the unspoken and reasonable between the lines

for club members to decode

with their decoder rings

keep sending in those wax rappers folks.

"back off and stop accusing me of something I didn’t do "

balled roy

nyah nyah .

"You will notice that I said that Tom Wegener deserves respect for his research and efforts to bring these designs back and find out what they are like. … please remember this, I said it because I meant it ok ? "

in the first line of your first post

on this thread esteemed dr stewart

you posted;

" More oil needed for the old BS meter, it’s redlining again !

The team rider fell off every wave except the last one, the boards appear to be only marginally functional.

I think that overall, Tom’s T shirt said it all. "

:frowning:

http://www.olosurfer.com/…t_Surfboard_Wax.html

in response to that damn ambrosian attack;

"i give up what’s the title or ident of the buggin video "

…ambrose…

ambrose m.curry III

one man endures so much critisism

roy you are a saint.

and I am a vile instigator.

thank youo to poser 516

and janklow you are tops in my book.

blessings to dale

and his greeno quote

epac you are the man

rodger cool as ever

bruce you get it

trucker you will attain enlightenment

Icon fun is god/love

nom you saw the video

thanks bubba

squiddy you da man

Oldy thanks for the cast credits

tell the kid I said good job keep it up.

benny nope all roads lead to roy.

read this quick this document may distruct

to protect the guilty.

bye roy you kan sputter off by your self I wont post on this thread any more.

…ambrose…

hijack to your own side track

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correct me if I sum it up incorrectly my swaybru’s…

who needs fins if you got a poooopload a stoke!!!

http://www.zapiks.fr/Skim-surfing.html

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correct me if I sum it up incorrectly my swaybru's...

who needs fins if you got a poooopload a stoke!!!

sounds like a good enough summary for me.

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haha!

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i love snoutridin.