give up surfing if you dont like other people in the lineup or go somewhere else
Aloha Kokua.You say it right,that’s how it is.true dat,stink eye to the stand ups,and less to the longboarders,but definetely not for the longboarders that hog waves,the ones that catch a set wave,and then paddle right back out to catch another set wave,just like the stand ups are doing.you gotta let some go by for the guys inside on the shorter boards.And the boogie boarders and paipo boarders can catch outside just like a longboard, with the fins …And the thing is that I personally have never seen local guys do that on longboards ,and on stand ups either,but transplants and visitors,yes.You grow up on the ocean,on an island,you learn about sharing and respect of the elders.As for being out on a spot by yourself on a stand up,anybody paddles out after you,I say you should be sharing,they are probably kooks if they do give you stink.Here,when we paddle out to a spot and guys are there towing in already,we share,and they usually leave on their own accord,because it is kind of small anyways by tow in standards.Anyways,today was good,just like it has been for mostly so long now,and we were all sharing in the fun,and more on tap for the next few days.Not bad for what was predicted to be a La Nina junk winter! Aloha
Howzit kava, After over 40 years of living and surfing in Hawaii I feel the same way and was always respectful of all surfers in the water and I know what you mean about those that don't respect the other people surfing and it used to relly make me mad also. Every one should share and not hog the waves no matter what they are riding and I have always enjoyed watching surfers get a good wave and rip it apart or just style ride it. I use to tell friends to go ahead and take off in front of me and we would share the wave and letting the girls ride in front of you makes for a nice view. Aloha,Kokua
“that’s a pretty lame comment dude.I am 56,been surfing since I was a
kid,I paid my dues,and a lot of guys older than me that have been around
forever(some pretty famous old time shapers),feel the same way.We are
not going to let a bunch of younger idiots on stand ups push us out of
our breaks or give up surfing.I never meant to say that stand up was bad
per se,it has given work to a lot of folks and made it possible for
surfshops to stay in business,and given a chance to some longboarders to
cross over to the stand up pro circuit,and created a whole new outlet
for stand up paddling on rivers,lakes,lagoons(my favorite)That being
said,stand up boards do not belong in the same lineup as surfboards,just
like windsurfing,kite surfing,and tow in surfing do not mix with
surfers.We had to fight to separate those activities,and we have not
given up with the stand up.I remember many times spear fishing,and an
idiot would whiz by dangerously close on a windsurf.Many a windsurfer
had a spear shot at him in those days.Same goes with tow in,many
altercations happened when we were surfing the outer reefs and some
bozos that could barely swim would come and tow in.Still to this day we
have to watch out for windsurfers that are oblivious to us on outrigger
one man canoes,they are just not ocean aware,and when you have a person
like that on a stand up,and they are close to you, it is not a good
scenario.I applaud communities that were able to separate stand ups and
surfers,we are still working on it. Aloha”
Well its not lame actually its commom sense. The surf is everybodys and one thing i can assure you is that things change. You can either go with it, or try and fight it. The premise that since you were here first you must therefore have more rights as a human being, just doesnt cut the mustard. Its predjudice in its perfect form .Attitudes in lineups will change. Fluffing about in the water is essentialy a kids space. A playground. I find it quite humourous that a grown man wants to assert themselves and some outdated hierachical mentallity in the sandpit, because they were playing in the sandpit longer or because its closer to there house. The ocean is everyones to enjoy and tolerence is the key. Surfers dont own it nor do anglers. It belongs to everyone and its everyones to share ( within the realms of keeping ppl safe). Basically people/surfers of all types can be dickheads . I say bring on the anarchy and goodbye to localism
No leashes = more swimming to the beach = better emphasis on wave selection and less kooks make it outside = less wave hogging(no matter what equipment you are in)...
Conclusion: Make leashes illegal and/or surf a mat...
problem solved...
For once Paul I agree with you !!
It's the dickhead on the sup, Or the dickhead local that thinks they own the lineup
that spoils it for everyone.
Greedy assholes will always be that way, it really doesnt matter wot equipment they're on.
True, i do think sup's shouldnt be in regular surfing locations, but if used for the purpose that
they were designed for " surfing away from others", then there is no problem.
I have been guilty in the abuse of sup users,but mostly justified abuse as these idiots are starting to crowd once mellow pointbreaks in our area.
As a cross training device they are great fun but anyone attempting to surf an already crowded lineup should be hung from the highest tree !!
silverbak
I can’t stand blow-ins crowding my waves , I’m sure you know the feeling when you are having a few waves with your mates alone and crew turn up. grumble , grumble …
I am a greedy asshole on everything I ride 5’8" to 10’ because I want them all and I can hear the clock ticking .
The trouble with SUP’s in the lineup is the clowns on them … anyway they are banned at my local , the beach where I live , pay rates , raised my children and have surfed most days for the past 14 yrs . Long live localism !!
I made a couple of flat water paddle boards I call them Rough Sawn Rafts , they have square rails and really don’t resemble a surfboard and couldn’t be used in the surf.
I made them that way as an insurance policy against the unlikely event that I came down with ‘Supmentia’ disease.
Cheers
Mooneemick
Dated discussion but still so relevant.
Anyone who surfs needs to adopt a healthy respect for SAFETY. If one cannot safely control their equipment & behaviors, please stay away (I suppose this applies to almost anything like driving & other sports.).
Unfortunately, as much as surfing should be all about the stoke, living in a litigious society, and/or a place with populated surf breaks equates to increased stakes.
It helped me to experience various watercraft to gain perspective, learn responsibility for my own actions & equipment, and be aware of the changing surf conditions / equipment / social / operational dynamics.
As we choose to contribute to population growth and associated consumptionism, we also inherently choose to pay the price: be more tolerant / patient / understanding (No choice there, and good for you if you choose to adopt a child / a pet, recycle / reuse your gear, blabla...).
Even if I happen to be surfing by myself, someone still pays the price for unsafe behavior (I am not naming names, but some KOOK hurt himself in some isolated place up in norcal and somehow still managed to hold his SUP manufacturer responsible wtf.).
Here's what I think I've learned so far:
- Safety first.
- Equip myself with gear I can control.
- Gaining perspective from different conditions means learning respect / patience / tolerance / understanding and owning responsibility. Don't just bodyB, kayak, LB, SUP or SB and think you "get it."
- Right-of-way is only valid when it is yielded to me. I am OK with sharing, but only when the surfer dropping in on me can control his gear & not kook out. Yes it's OK not to share...
Noway in heck can I control an SUP or LB. I can barely control my SB. See you in the lineup. Aloha folks!