this thread has forced me to reconsider my next project. Sitting on my glue rack is a piece of 2# EPS with a bamboo stringer. So, I’m going for it with the LazorZap. I am kinda big so here are the dims I am contemplating:
Length 6’6", nose 12", double bump swallow tail 19"(swallow itself is 9" across):
now for the confusing part-Wide point of 21.5" place 6" behind mid point which is 33" up from the tail. I know the board above has the width 3" behind midpoint but another cool Zap at www.surfresearch.com.au/00000112.html has the width 12" behind midpoint. Any suggestions on this?
Foil and rocker: I have copied a Walker 6’9" fish blank. I plan on the nose rocker being 5" and tail being 2". Thinkness will be 3". I have NO IDEA where this thinkness should be and how it flows tail to nose-is it in the wide point or under the chest? Also, what is the bottom contour, single concave to Vee?
Many of Geoff’s early zaps has wide point dead center. They just looked behind center because of the tails and planshape. I suspect he did some experimenting though.
OK, so it’s not as pretty as the horan, or jettylocals, but this is my latest, its 6’5’’ x 14’‘n x 20.5@middle x 15’‘t x 3’'. It just makes sense to me that a board with more width in the tail should turn easier than a board with width in the nose, sharper turns i mean. Now, this is not an attempt at a copy, just me trying a single fin with a wider tail than nose, inspired by mccoy nuggets. Everytime someone brings this thread up, i start hanging out to glass this thing and get it out there!!. Just need to save up a little more cash then i can get the glass and resin. Cant wait.
P.S dont know if its me, but it looks wider in the nose, its not, but it does look like it.
OK, so it’s not as pretty as the horan, or jettylocals, but this is my latest, its 6’5’’ x 14’‘n x 20.5@middle x 15’‘t x 3’'. It just makes sense to me that a board with more width in the tail should turn easier than a board with width in the nose, sharper turns i mean. Now, this is not an attempt at a copy, just me trying a single fin with a wider tail than nose, inspired by mccoy nuggets. Everytime someone brings this thread up, i start hanging out to glass this thing and get it out there!!. Just need to save up a little more cash then i can get the glass and resin. Cant wait.
P.S dont know if its me, but it looks wider in the nose, its not, but it does look like it.
Nice looking board. Inspiration is what swaylocks is all about.
I was kidding. I have joked with Geoff about it last year. I think Surftech has been a great advertiser for Geoff’s name. I just wish they allowed him to do his singles instead of thrusters.
I threatened to do it and here is the start. The Walker blanks I ordered before Christmas evaporated so I had to gear up to hotwire my own foam. Got a 2x2x8’ block, hotwired, glued hand cut pvc stringers (thank God for Swaylocks). I am about ready to do the rail bands. It’s close to the dims i mentioned earlier; 6’7"x20.5" at mid, 22"-ve (9" toward tail from center, 18" tail, 11.5" nose, 3" thick. From the pictures you can tell I have not cut out the swallow (9.5"wide) nor the nose. This is the first with eps so i am a little scared of knocking them off plus my basement wont get up to glassing temp till about May. The bottom is single concave to vee starting about 14" from the tail. I don’t know whether this will be a single (banana fin?), tri or 5 boxes. I will use Probox. I will keep posting.
Ive ridden a fair few of Cheynes boards, and I agree with a previous poster who said that the extreme versions of the McHoran boards were not the most successful nor pleasing to ride but it was from an era of experimentation when shapers shaped rather than copied, or quickly tucked their tails between their legs for the sake of profitaility (but I understand modern economics) and sadly it seems that such prehistoric times are ripe for rumination as apparently, innovation is dead.
Stone cold bloody icey-grey and getting moldy as we speak.
I offer that the single fin is not an holistic panacea and neither is a profusion of fins in all directions going to solve anything, however in a broad way we’ve leapt from design miracle to miracle, as they have occured, without due process involving furthering our knowledge into the last reaches of EACH design step, step, step…
Single fins have a lot to offer, in fact I question whether many of us have ridden boards without fins or with a single fin at all.
Instead, the public insists that their / our performance desires be met without quenching their/ our ability to understand fundamentals. Its like a 14 old getting into a Ferrari because he can afford it.
I exhort all shapers to experiment with the single fin experience , its something we all know, its something China isnt expecting, its rich with history and icons ( before they all kark it. ) and its an opportunity for a ‘new’ direction to keep the industry alive with thought and counterpoint.
Dont discount the ability of the established industry to cut the asians manufacturers out entirely with snappy design changes.
They are only able to copy design because its so STAGNENT.
The market choice is only as exciting as it is proffered. Bring out new things, be brave, take a chance, get in touch with your local shapers guild and go bold !
Its obvious that surfboard design will never be confined to a set of agreed scientific parameters so let the arguements and conjecture continue but lets keep the design debate alive so that real shapers stay alive.
And working,
and earning,
and paying taxes,
and teaching apprentices,
and paying taxes again,
and passing their money onto local bussiness,
and buying properties,
and paying for deliveries,
and keeping the money flowing,
And that is from where the crucible of essential “grass roots” commerce is evident.
Its either your country that benefits or it suffers.
Dont be complacent, your effort does make a difference.
Regards, Brett.
P.S. I dunno about the soft rail rocker? in the pic ???
Ive ridden a fair few of Cheynes boards, and I agree with a previous poster who said that the extreme versions of the McHoran boards were not the most successful nor pleasing to ride but it was from an era of experimentation when shapers shaped rather than copied, or quickly tucked their tails between their legs for the sake of profitaility (but I understand modern economics) and sadly it seems that such prehistoric times are ripe for rumination as apparently, innovation is dead.
Stone cold bloody icey-grey and getting moldy as we speak.
I offer that the single fin is not an holistic panacea and neither is a profusion of fins in all directions going to solve anything, however in a broad way we’ve leapt from design miracle to miracle, as they have occured, without due process involving furthering our knowledge into the last reaches of EACH design step, step, step…
Single fins have a lot to offer, in fact I question whether many of us have ridden boards without fins or with a single fin at all.
Instead, the public insists that their / our performance desires be met without quenching their/ our ability to understand fundamentals. Its like a 14 old getting into a Ferrari because he can afford it.
I exhort all shapers to experiment with the single fin experience , its something we all know, its something China isnt expecting, its rich with history and icons ( before they all kark it. ) and its an opportunity for a ‘new’ direction to keep the industry alive with thought and counterpoint.
Dont discount the ability of the established industry to cut the asians manufacturers out entirely with snappy design changes.
They are only able to copy design because its so STAGNENT.
The market choice is only as exciting as it is proffered. Bring out new things, be brave, take a chance, get in touch with your local shapers guild and go bold !
Its obvious that surfboard design will never be confined to a set of agreed scientific parameters so let the arguements and conjecture continue but lets keep the design debate alive so that real shapers stay alive.
And working,
and earning,
and paying taxes,
and teaching apprentices,
and paying taxes again,
and passing their money onto local bussiness,
and buying properties,
and paying for deliveries,
and keeping the money flowing,
And that is from where the crucible of essential “grass roots” commerce is evident.
Its either your country that benefits or it suffers.
Dont be complacent, your effort does make a difference.
Regards, Brett.
P.S. I dunno about the soft rail rocker? in the pic ???
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Ordered a duplicate of this one the other day
Great post. I agree completely. Since 1981…I have always had some sort of wide tailed single fin in my quiver. I have not chased enjoyed any design as much. When I say wide tailed…I don’t mean in every case the extremely wide…I think 15’’ is a wide tail on a single. I think right at a time single were starting to make some serious headway…Mccoy’s design got snapped up by the multi fin crowd and singles were effectively killed for the majority. I agree…I think single experimentation is still ripe. To me personally…there is something that just feels right about riding them. It’s probably only my own thoughts…but singles just feel less gimicky.
Good timing, i just lammed the bottom of my diamond tail single this morning. Got sick of waiting to save up for more UV resin, and just used plain old MEKP, just shot it on the low side. Only a few air bubbles, and one tiny fold, no major probs, and i was really surprised at the job i did. Can’t wait to get it in the water.
Hey solo, the things are damn scarce around here–the McCoy bottom shape can you describe? Only ever seen the trademark name Loaded Dome bandied about, but specifically, I wonder if the tail has roundness through the fins and out the back…
(see how I didn’t mention the red bikini mixed in the pics up there?)
Geoff is the best to ask. The way they appear to me…they are a figure eight from the nose to tail and also curved from rail to rail. Subtle…no pronounced.
What up with the editor. No browser comes up when I post for posting pics.
It has not gone to glass yet and must rest up next to other boards in a rack so they put the paper on for protection. Wait till you see the completed version in a few days.
