3M 233+ VS 2214 tape.

Simple question for the pros out there.  What is the difference between 233+ and 2214 tape?  What are the applications where you would choose one over the other???

You know the answer…  And  I wish you had never brought this up.  Let’em keep usiing that exspensive green s#!t.

233 is a high temp tape 250 degrees, Is also solvent resistant. In our world…resin won’t effect it as quickly as cheep tape. 233 is the automotive tape.  Think baking cars in ovens and acetone clean up, etc.

2214 is a sealant, bundling, reinforcing, labeling, paint masking tape. heat resistant to 150 degrees. It’s also used in a wide range of industries.

Both are fantastic tapes, both have unique jobs. It’s best to get the right tape for the right application.

2214 is a rubber adhesive tape that has a bit more flexibility, 223 is a more stickey tape.  I’ve never used 2214 in surfboard building.

I use 233 for glossing. And important tape lines for airbrushing.

2214 for general masking and for taping hot coats for the bottom.

Even “yellow”  refinishing tape is cheaper than 233.  Refinishing tape is also automotive and is thicker so therefore a nice cutlap tape.

“for the pros out there”   Yeah I would think 2214 would be a poor tape to use in surfboard buildimg.  It makes sense;  Tape that’s cheaper than 233 can’t be used to build surfboards.  Ask any of the experts around Swaylocks and they’ll tell you.  But don’t ask anyone who works in or runs a glass shop in Orange or SD Co.  You might get a conflicting opinion.  We must manitain our level of conformity here on Sways.  Wouldn’t want to cut into that 6----8 dollar mark up for 233.

Yellow refinishing tape is great for surf applications, Its an automotive application that was made for the new waterborne finishes, I’ve gone through cases of the stuff…but what do I know.

Have you ever had 233 treat you wrong?  So you are saying 50 cents to $1.00 more per board is going to make you take the risk of having to discount the board $50.00 because it looks like …err, a garages Swaylocks guy made it?

Penny wise and dollar foolish. Bet you make your own surf wax too.

I agree with Barry here, and well Mcding your putting way too much thought into this, I don’t think there is a conspiracy here or anything.  If I am out of 231, I use 233 when I need clean results, and if I don’t have any because I didn’t order correctly I will use the other stuff which almost always I end up regretting.  If you stand over the board and wait for it the resin to kick and pull the tape immediately you can use the cheapest masking tape, just ask Bob Haakenson, and if you miss that window by a second you can clean up the adhesive with rubbing alcohol and a rag once the resin is completley dry, at least that’s what he tried to teach me.  

If I ever had a problem with 2214 for any surfboard application I would say so.    I’m sure glass shops all over the Hawaiian Islands, San Diego, Orange, LA, Ventura etc. etc.  would have boned it by now if it ever failed. I’d say you’re off track on the ."50 cents to a dollar"per board generalization.  Most glass shops buy by the sleeve or the case.  The differance between 233 and 2214 per case is enough to get anyone’s attention.  I’m not a Sways do it all myself type.  So NO;  I don’t make my own wax any more than I would build a surfboard without power tools.  Your pretty funny yourself though.  It’s all 3M.  You work for 3M so what the flock do you care.  It’s all money in the bank for you and your employerer.  Of course it’s no big deal to me and all I’ve ever done is try to keep 2214 a secret.  So that’s the last time I pass anything on to mako via PM.

Hell Yeah!   You could use that no name $#!t thay sell at ACE too.  If you’re willing to clean adhesive and backing up every time you use it.  Like I said  PLEASE---- Stick with the exspensive green $#!T  Oh!  and let’s just let this thread die before it garners too much attention.

Got me confused on that one.  My PM box is empty.

My supplier also offers 3M 2380.  Any thoughts on this tape?

 

i like the 2380 (beige) better than the 233 (green). dont know what the cost difference is?

i wind up using 2020 for a lot of things (hotcoats, taping down paper when doing cutlaps or sprays) but it is not good enough for laying down the cut line for a cutlap or for taping off for a hot coat on a sanded surface.

i only used ‘general purpose’ masking tape one time. its no good for any part of building a surfboard. not even for paint really.

Dang you caught us…You are right…3M is out to get the surfboard industry.

Did Rush Linbaugh tell you that?

3M has over 1,500 diffreent types and sizes of tapes. Some sticky…some not sticky. All for specific applications etc, some expensive some not so expensive.  There are many alternatives to each of these tapes.  If you need to know specifically about each application you can go to 3M source and pull up any specsheet and learn about the wonderful world of tape.

Any discussion or applications discussed here on this forum regarding 3M products are opinions of individuals either knowing or unknowing of 3M products, thes views are not expressed by 3M.

 

yummy! I love M and M’s. What’s this 3M stuff? M and M and M? Never heard of it.

Honestly??  I use Dunn-Edwards orange painters tape most of the time.  Since you can’t buy it outside of Calif., Nev., or Arizona;  I’m not worried about there ever being a shortage of said orange tape.  1 1/2" is about $2.50 a roll.

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Any sales rep. or manufacturer would be just plain stupid to not want to sell lots of a more exspensive as opposed to lots of a lesser exspensive tape.   Obviusly if a board builder who frequents this forum uses something othe than what we are dictated the mindless sheep theory goes out the window.   Nuff said.  You can back to your Limbaugh program now.

Yep, Lots of good tape out there. And only a few that are trusted in our applications. Use what you feel comfortable with. I have no skin in the surfboard tape business game.  But I do get tape a handsome discount.

I even know of some guys that have tried to use the Harbor Freight tape…key word 'Tried"  As mentioned before tape has a heat range, we need high temp and chemical resistant tape.  Waterborne specific tapes have low temp ranges, and better waterproof qualities (thats what happened to the old 3M blue tape, it became more for johnny home painter, and less lets make a blue tape resin dam stuff.)

…to stir a bit more the pot; I use an alternative of the 233+ and that s the 03431, and the 3M Rocket. I use its in similar ways that Barry Snyder mention.