For all those in the know, what are the pros and cons using FCS fusion or future boxes with a 5 fin convertible set up? Do the futures weight that much more?
Are the future that much stronger or does it make the tail weaker with the bigger boxes?? Inquisitive minds want to know…..thanks
fusion plugs are great
weight is probably negligible with any system.
for a true convertable, you'll probably want an adjustable system.
Fusions weigh 24 g each, Futures are 29 g and 27 g for ''half depth'' rear. Footprint is smaller on Fusion also.
If you’re building the board there’s a lot to be said for ease of intsallation for Fusions
particularly when they are done perfectly as yours are, nice
Fusion in my opinion are better. They have a smaller footprint and the fins also have a little adjustability for fine tuning. I may be one of the few, but I have had some issues with futures not fitting snug on some of their fiberglass and hex core fins. I have had to go build up resin on the sides of the base to keep the fin from wobbling side to side.
Both are excellent systems.
I prefer Fusion for weight and ease of application.
Fusions are easier to install and glassing over is simple. They paint easily with the rest of the shaped blank if you are so inclined. The dual tabs are designed to break in high stress situations over Futures. Ease of replacing was a primary consideration for me when deciding between the two.
I will never use round FCS plugs every again........ quit that over 2 years ago. Any label that sticks with those are in the dark ages, regardless of brand label recognition or what they give their pros to ride.
thanks for all the input! yes Ive had problems with futures and the fins fitting right and I break those fcs plugs (alot) so my guy loves the fusions but its hard getting my head around that? I really like lokbox for quads.....
peace
I agree with DEAD. He was the first to start using them. I switch over because of his success. The last 200 boards have been in Fusion we no blow outs like we had with the single inserts.
Fusions are the easy to install and under the glass installation is the way to go even for Quads.
Plus they don’t hinder flex like the other systems.
Hi All,
I’m trying to do a 6’10" like the Patagonia Huevo Ranchero with the 5-fin setup with center fin box.
http://www.fcdsurfboards.com/shop/huevo You can see the 5 fin upright in the background in the beginning, and then they show it at the end laying down.
I can’t find anything for how to position the fins for type of setup but the picture here of the 5 fin setup looks pretty close. The Mckee charts don’t seem to be what will work for this unless I’m doing it wrong… Those dims put the fins way to close to the tail from what I can tell. Hanalei seems closer but I didn’t find anything for 5 fin setup… I really appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Sergio
Hi All,
I’m trying to do a 6’10" like the Patagonia Huevo Ranchero with the 5-fin setup with center fin box.
http://www.fcdsurfboards.com/shop/huevo You can see the 5 fin upright in the background in the beginning, and then they show it at the end laying down.
I can’t find anything for how to position the fins for type of setup but the picture here of the 5 fin setup looks pretty close. The Mckee charts don’t seem to be what will work for this unless I’m doing it wrong… Those dims put the fins way to close to the tail from what I can tell. Hanalei seems closer but I didn’t find anything for 5 fin setup… I really appreciate any help.
Thanks,
Sergio
Sergio - because you posted in response to post #5, your post shows up in the middle of the thread - and this is an old thread, so its easy to miss. So I’m re-posting your question as a quote in my post, where it will show up at the end of the thread, and more likely get noticed. Hope you get the fin information you need!
Thanks, Huck! I’ve been reading a bit and see this is a bonzer 5 fin setup. I found on the bonzer site the placement of center fin using the dims from their “egg” model. They say about 5 3/4" - 6" from tail should do the trick. How about calculating the placement of the other 4 side fins for a 6’10" bonzer, anyone?
Also, I plan to use FCS fusion plugs. Anyone see any issue with that? I plan to put some slight channels but nothing too crazy.
Sergio
Do a search for Bonzer on the surfy surfy blog
Just want to tack on a related but yet unmentioned consideration: available fin options for each system. I recently made a board designed to be a twin, and I normally use Probox (FCS compatible) but have always found that Futures has better options for twin keel fins – the only keel I’ve ever really liked are the Futures “Rasta” Sea Shepherds. In FCS fins I’ve usually liked MR-TX or a custom Rainbow set of T1 based fins – or True Ames “dolphin”-styled twins – better than any the K2 FCS keels I have.
If I was hoping to have keels be the set-up for a board, I’d be planning on converting Sea Shepherd Futures to Probox, short of risking having the wrong cant in the end and just installing Future boxes.
Just another wrinkle in the equation.
Eh…in the interest of being topical, this came up for me on the aforementioned “designed to be a twin” board when I converted it to a 7 box board, after initially starting it as a “twinny” (to add twinzer and quad options).
(7 box ain’t 5 but includes the 5.)
IMHO FCS has a better selection of rear trailer quad fins. Particularly like running the G1000 for rears (ride my boards with the Rusty set-up which moves the rear fins closer to the stringer, less so then Mckee).
Favorite set-up is future boxes for the tri, FCS Fusion for the two rear quad boxes. Couple reasons for this.
Rarely need to play with my tri settings, kow exactly where I like them. Rears, however, on a quad set-up can change + or - with a slight p or back, so Fusion great for that.
5 Future boxes across the tails has two negatives - takes a lot of flex out of the tail due to the rigid boxes, which also creates a potential break point. Have seen more then one 5 fin future box set-up that snapped right across the ‘shear’ line between the front of the rear tri box and back of the two rear quad fin boxes…