6'6 Pine Alaia

I watched all of those a while back. Pretty awesome stuff. I am sure those guys were just starting on them. It definitely takes a little while to change your mind set when you’ve been surfing poly thrusters (or poly anythings) your whole life. I’d like to see them in another month of riding them. It would be leaps and bounds better than what was in that clip.

edit: upon a second look, the surfing wasn’t as bad as I’d thought. It was actually pretty good except for the trying to turn it like a thruster. And that Malika, she is one hot reporter.

Nice bit of wood going on there! Same it’s a tad to cold to paddle them out at the mo.

I knocked one up myself, more as a wall hanger out of sapele. Anyone thought about using obeche as a blank stock as its obtainable in the uk.

cheers joe

Surfer 35,

This is a fascinating thread youve started man! I am looking to start my own project but i can’t find a template. did you make yours with akushaper? or do you have a file you could email me?

AR

Hi all, First of all , great thread and work here everyone,

I recently watched some footage of Alaias being ridden and I was amazed at the way they turned and rode, so could not resist any longer and began my first one today.

Have got some large paulownia planks which came out real nice after thicknessing, 1" thick.

Heres the progress so far, the template I drew up by looking at some on websites and here on swaylocks, its basically my fish nose outline and then tapered straight back from the wide point. Got the timber machined and cut outline, going to get a piece of ceder for a stringer, although I like the way the one above is glued with coloured resin, is this epoxy or other? Was going to glue blank together with epi -glue a marine grade epoxy glue,

does anyone know if this will be fine?

Single concave bottom makes sense, although was going to carry concave to rail but having seen the ones here might reconsider… whats the idea behind leaving an edge on the bottom?

Anyway heres some pics:




Nice to see this thread is still drawing attention !

The bad news is I have recently squandered a couple of opportunities to christen my board, so it sits in the garage still, teasing me - the conditions here really haven’t been that good, and when they have I have been at work. Cest La Vie!

Nocean, when you talk about the ‘edge at the bottom’ are you talking about (a) the underside of the board, (b) the bottom of the rail or (c) the stern ?

My interpretations are…

(a) The edges either side of the concave provide some stability and control almost like mini fins

(b) The rails are edged to assist in the release of the waterflow

(c) Don’t know !!

If this is teaching you to suck eggs, I apologise in advance, if anyone knows better - I know you’re out there, please tell me too.

Regards everyone

Surfer, 35

Rolled bottom with concave is for maximum water flow across the board, hard edge is for release. Not sure what effect a full concave would have. See picture.

-Brian

Here’s a link for oil finishes. It works well on cedar alaias for a beautiful waterproof finish. equal parts oil, turpentine and varnish…

Yip extra stability makes sense, I was talking about the bottom of the board where the concave does not extend to the full width , thanks for the reply

Heres the board gluing with ceder stringer… shaping tomorrow!

Going to use boiled linseed to oil board , will post on results and progress soon.

Surfer35,

Could you explain to me the screwdriver and rope clamping method. or do you have more zoomed in pictures?

I want to make my own blank soon and i dont fully understand how to do this.

Thanks, AR

HERE’S the link for oil finishes… good read…

Oil Finishes

No worries - its very simple…!

Check out the picture from ‘Nocean’ above.
You will see he has some loops of fabric around the wood.
By inserting a screwdriver or dowel into the loop, you can twist the screwdriver and hence tighten the loop.

You might need something to chock the crewdriver to stop it unwinding.

Don’t overtighten otherwise you will squeeze all of the glue from the joint!

Regards

Surfer, 35.

Hi , yip surfer35 is right , in this case I have used inner tube rubber ,works really good if they are tight enough you dont even need to twist them!

Thanks for the link on oils etc , I have shaped and started oiling today, im using linseed oil mixed with gum turpentine…

Going to try to inlay something in the deck instead of graphics or logos, not sure what or how yet so I have left a space in the timber…

heres the pics,




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Any feedback on how the pine rides?  I saw in another thread that someone was very disappointed with theirs - no float, hard to paddle, etc.

I have suitably sized pine boards available here in Los Angeles, but am not aware of cheap access to Pawlonia for making my Alaia.  Obviously, I want to make sure using pine doesn't turn out to be the death knell for my project. 

In regards to the concave not going right out to the rails, i believe after riding my alaia, that the slight belly helps to slide the board when doing cutbacks and may assist in keeping the outside edge above water so it doesn’t catch.

My feeling is that if the concave went right to the edge, the rail would catch a lot more and you wouldn’t be able to slide it through the turns back to the power of the wave. This is only my theory from riding my one alaia. I haven’t ridden one with concave to the rail so i can’t say for sure.

I have ridden a skimboard on waves that had a concave and that really sucked. The skimboards that have a flat bottom rail to rail or even an ever so slight belly ride much more smoothly than the one that had a concave.

Both types of skim had a quarter round rail with the sharpest edge on the bottom edge.

I’ve been lurking on swaylocks for alaia inspiration for some time, but finally decided to signup.  I included some pics of my latest alaia attempt. When I had the chance to talk to Jon Wegener in San Diego on a trip last year he was raving about wide alaias so I thought I’d give it a try.  I have to say this is the easiest one to ride I’ve been able to make.  After riding it for two days in knee high waves, I broke my toe on it, but it’s still my favorite ride of late.  It’s a little tricky keeping it from flattening down the wave and sending me flying (the width I think), but once I set a line it just works like a charm up and down the face and you’ve heard it before, but it is the fastest thing I’ve ridden, hands down.

I also was extra careful to make the concave a slight reverse rocker on this one for total flatness while standing. It’s something folks on swaylocks mentioned and it seems to work like a charm, but I can’t differentiate it from the other elements of the board.  I also carved out the top side of the lumpy bits on the bottom-kind of a gull wing look.  I like to think it makes the board flex more in the tail, but at 20" wide, who knows. I’m not good enough on it yet to tell.

Things I’ve learned after 4 alaias:

Parabolics rule-the tail seems to pivot in the wave-I like that.  The rounded outlines feel more like a cafeteria tray to me with too much stick in the middle and not enough at the tail, but this might be more to do with my previous boards not being flat enough on the bottom of the board towards the tail.

super deep concaves work great on steep waves.  It seems to hold it on the face in steeper drops.  I had a hard time with the wegener peanut I started on and put about 3x more concave in a couple boards and its a world different.  I think Tom Wegener said something about flat is faster, concave is more lala (whatever that means) but I don’t care, I need confidence builders, so I’m carving canyons on the bottom of mine. These boards are already magic carpet rides as is, who needs to go faster?

Sanding between coats of oil reallly helps.  Tom Wegener said to use something like 800 grit in a video I saw, but I went with 1200 on my latest ride and it’s really different. I went back and sanded all of my boards, but haven’t tried them yet. 

On this board, for sealer I was playing around in an unscientific way and used a mix of hot pine tar, linseed oil and lots of turpentine for the first 2 coats, then I had to get on a plane to costa rica.  For a finish coat I used what they happened to have in costa rica for sealer, which was Sur brand aciete impregnable?  Anyway, it’s “impregnating oil” and probably has driers in it, but it soaked in way better than linseed with turpentine and gave a more long lasting finish, plus I could sand it way smoother (1200).   Pick some up next time you’re in costa rica, haha.  Actually if anyone knows of similar stuff stateside let me know. 

On the pine vs pawlownia debate, Im going to have to weigh in heavily on the powlownia side.  My first attempt was pine.  It was a sinker, though it rode great. It’s just that it cracked the first time out, despite sealer.  Pawlownia is also a dream for the beginner woodworker (me).

That’s all I’ve got, just super stoked on these things.  If they weren’t so hard to ride, I’d never go back to finned boards. I’ve got two more in the works in the 7 ft range and some templates for a hollow wood board if I ever get around to it.

Cheers…

 

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