Wout … you really want to know this? It’s truely eyes glazing over BS and of no significance to building a board. Just like the manufacture of polyester resins … bunch of chem gobbldy goop.
Im right here Greg
in my 27 years of surfing, i have seen many, MANY types of boards. I have just really gotten into the epoxy boards. I have seen greg's boards from the beginning since i live in florida. I think with all the new epoxy systems out there right now, that they might have just been able to take what he has done and many other people have done and come up with a better product?? I have seen abunch of different types of epoxies and have even used alot of them, including greg's. but i`m finding out that there might just be better stuff out their than there was in the years past. the surf industry has always tried to hype up any and or everything to help sales. but if your product is better, thats what the people will find out. now, to be honest i`m totally into the aerialite epoxysystems right now. the stuff really has been working great. i have had alot of people love the boards and i have the boards to show that it works.other boards in the past using different types of exopies, have had the same problems that people are talking about. i`m not smashing or advertising. i saw this link and read it, and heres my 2 cents. like or leave it. we can all put what we think into it. but if its time for a new better product to be out in the market, then that just makes everything the industry be that much better for everybody. better longer lasting surfboards? i`m ready for it. i would actually like to see the test. maybe greg can use both epoxies and the other company use both and see what happens??? please post pics
the easiest way to use any epoxy system is to FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS...the people who came up with their formulas know what theyre talking about...they invented the stuff...when they say use this amount for this temp...use that amount...if they say put this much add f in it...put that much in it...makes things so much easier than trial and error...let the epoxy developers do the trial and error...it makes life so hassle free...well the glassing part at least
where is bammbamm808 now??
i completely agree with following directions of a product maker, unless chinese!
@Greg… nah, leave the explanations aside for the time being, i am green enough as it is.
what i 'DO like to say is that it is a real pity that europe is not into epoxies enough yet, your 2040 is great, and i can get no more over here, unless i buy you a barrel, maybe one day.
wouter
There are some differences but generally the systems have more similarites than differences. We offer many different systems within this one product line. We have tested different systems and there are only a couple that are applicable for surfboards.
Generally there are three aspects to consider in our system that make us unique.
1 Hardener speed. We offer three fast, slow and extra slow. Finding which you like for the work at hand will give you results to be proud of.
2. Viscosity. I like a medium viscosity which the 2000 is. Some like it a bit thinner so we have 2020 for them. Personal preference here.
3. Additives. We offer some to give better performance. Additive F surfacing/sanding agent makes work easier. X-55 accellerator for speeding up production times.
Most systems are not for boards and are not applicable. Usable sure. But making a quality surfboard with a marine resin isn't gonna really happen. Or an aerospace resin either. Each application has specific parameters which must be met for those products.
Some will like other systems. We strive to make the best for all of you who want to make quality product. We also supprt you guys both with a website and right here. Hope we're helping ....
Sorry for digging up this old thread, but I kinda ran into some trouble.
Thing is, I miscalculated when I placed my order back in april. Cheapest shipping for me here in Germany would be to order from France. Problem is, they only have those huge packs of KwickKick left, but all that I need is a small 1.5 KG pack for my hotcoat and the fins. However, they have still have their SurfClear epoxy. Could I use that for my hotcoat after I laminated with RR? Could I even mix Add F with that Surfclear epoxy?
“Could I use that for my hotcoat after I laminated with RR?”
I’m gonna go out on a limb and say yes. Just don’t wait more than about 24 hours. After 24 hours, scuff the lam up a bit for mechanical bond.
A bit of a bitch here… it’s technically a ‘fillcoat’, not a ‘hotcoat’ (as in extra catalyst with polyester.) Calling it a hotcoat might give someone the idea that by mixing extra hardener they’ll get a faster cure. It doesn’t work that way - messing around with proportions is asking for trouble.
“Could I even mix Add F with that Surfclear epoxy?”
Again, I’m gonna say yes. FWIW I’ve mixed up stuff without problems including different brands over each other, adding additives and even mixing hardeners from one brand with another (assuming same proportions) - all seem to work OK as long as your temperatures and waiting time between coats is OK.
Problems I’ve had have been mostly related to cold temperatures, high humidity, waiting periods between coats, and messing up my proportions. I’d say most problems people have with epoxy are related to one or more of these issues.
I use both. You can use surfclear over, or under, KK and you can use add f in surfclear, as in most other brand you can find in Europe.
Ok, thanks guys, I’ll place my order then.