Advice on my first board build

The chair thing is just a temporary fix.  It’s a crude hack that you can use on a one-time basis until you decide whether or not you’re going to continue to shape and glass.   If you’re going to commit then investing in tools and equipment will help you get the better result.  

 

Putting that many glue lines in will add some rigidity.  Moreso than if you were shaping a single piece of stringerless foam.   If you color them then adds to the contrast and makes it look deliberate instead of accidental.  My approach to the issue of visual imperfections in the materials is to use them, draw attention to them and incorporate them into the aesthetic.   You’re showing your work and how you solved your challenges.    

If you ask around about the glue a little more I’d imagine someone will tell you.  I don’t remember what the answer is but I’ve seen a couple people comment on it before.   You can use epoxy but it will set harder than the foam and you may have some problems getting everything flat.   

Hi Dallas, I read your original question and was about to add my (very low value) 2 cents. I have only made a handful of boards, and I can’t really add much to the excellent advice received from GD, JM and others. Some excellent advice in this thread. I would add an upvote for keeping it as simple as possible for your first build, you MAY find it’s too messy, too expensive, too difficult, or whatever else. I doubt it with the support of the great people here, but it is a possibility so try not to spend too much first time round, you will easily lose that extra 20lbs your carrying, just from your wallet :slight_smile:

I started off doing as the guys have said above, I found a space to work (in shed), used a couple of supports and set about restoring an old board, I figured that might tell me if I had the tools, skills, and desire to go any further. It was one seriously messy nob, I now realise that restoring a very old board is even messier than making a new one, sanding off tons of old glass right back to the foam is neither easy, nor clean! I used a cheap face mask, but quickly found it wasn’t doing me much good so I invested in safety equipment with my first real spend. I still haven’t got the set up I would like, I would ideally want a positive pressure full face mask with air system. I am hoping to get there one day, but for now I am using 3M 6000 mask, and a smaller half face one occasionally. You can get damn cheap masks off ebay from China, but beware of the filters as I have received tons of counterfeit 3M filters which leaves you exposed. I know you’re using epoxy and EPS, so you’re way safer already, but in case you ever use poly stuff, bear the safety stuff firmly in mind. Same goes for spraying any paints, clear coats, etc.

Once I decided I was going to be doing a lot more of it, but not enough to spend any more money than necessary, I found a used tatty old caravan in the newspaper for around $200. It’s small, but cheap. I wanted to contain all the crap and dust in one environment, keeping it away from the family etc. Again that’s not such an issue for you if you stick with EPS, but it is nice having a small place which is insulated as I can control the temperatore and humidity easily (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Digital-Indoor-Temperature-And-Humidity-Meter-Alarm-Clock-LCD-Monitor-White/292798306394?hash=item442c23985a:g:vkUAAOSwtxlb2sFP:rk:2:pf:0), and I can also keep all my tools in one place so the kids don’t decide to use them for digging up worms!

One piece of advice I would give you is to take notes. Every time you do anything, write it down. I got an A4 note book, and every time I mix resin, do any shaping, print any decals, basically every time I do anything I write down what I did. As I recently found out, it’s probably a good idea to READ the fecken notes before doing another board, but that’s just another lesson learned the hard way, which seems to be the fashionable way (I like to think so anyway!)

As others have said you are definitely going in at the deep end. That’s fine, many people told me I was doing the same, and while I appreciated the advice, I ignored some of it because I had certain things I wanted to do and was fairly confident I could do it. I was right to some extent, but wrong about some things. The things I took for granted, assuming they would be “easy”, were often the hardest. Likewise, some of the things I was warned are very difficult, I found really easy. We are all different, and nobody knows your strengths and weaknesses except you, just be honest with yourself and take all advice on board, discarding stuff only if you’re sure you can. Shaping is an example, I find that the easies and most enjoyable part, glassing by far the hardest. But I know other people struggle with shaping but find glassing a breeze. One thing I can say with confidence, there is NOTHING as cool as riding a board you know you construced from scratch! It’s an awesome feeling!

Just a word on the shapes, again probably only repeating the great advice already given by other more experienced people here…

Going from a foamy to a fish sounds way too much of a jump to me. Again you could know better, but generally most people would find that a jump too far. You want to enjoy every stage of your surfing, if you go too adventurous you can struggle and this can really affect your progress. It takes a long time to make a board  (as a beginner anyway), so make it one you will definitely enjoy AND progress well on. For my first few boards I didn’t use any templates, I made them by taking a load of measurements off a board I liked, then just shaping by hand and going by eye. It was great fun and very satisfying, but I have made one or two from BlendingCurves templates and that sure cuts down on the time and makes it a lot easier.

I would recommend going for an eggy board as already suggested. My vote would be for something like the poacher - https://www.degree33surfboards.com/collections/funboards-egg/standard-epoxy

I have made a couple of ‘copies’ of those, working purely by eye from youtube videos to get the shape into my head. I had no templates or even a board to measure so I just studied pictures and the basic dimensions, and worked my way into it that way. The results were great (in my view!), two wicked fun boards which surf so easy and look great with some resin colour work to liven them up a bit.

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It’s a really forgiving shape, keep it thick for buoyancy, keep the tail quite wide as JM wisely suggested, and just focus on planing easily. Give it some hard tail rails so you can turn sharper than that foamy, and you will be flying and doing way more on your board within a few hours of taking it in the water. My kids loved em so much that my wife wanted one. She was on an 8 foot foamy at the time too, and is a slow learned so she wanted something pretty, something she could cherish, and something she could use EASILY because she was nervous about leaving a foamy. It was her 40th birthday too so I did her a poacher style egg as a birthday board, and she loves it. It’s so cool being able to make exactly what you want. You will see this one is similarly flat, thick, and was 7foot long so a whole foot shorter (which definitely helped her progress, but not too difficult to make it unenjoyable).

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Not sure if I have added much for you here, but I definitely agree that you should stick to minimal type size, and take it steady. Besides, you will probably enjoy making the boards so much that you will want a few, so why skip over any chances to make another one for your quiver?! You sound switched on there and ready for the effort it will take, so I am pretty sure you will do a decent job, and I hope you enjoy it as much as I do! I love looking at boards in shops now and spotting all the flaws, now I know how to spot them!

Good luck, have fun, and keep us posted with pics of your progress.

Oh and PS - Not sure if you have looked at Viral-Surf.com - they are in France and ship to the UK in quick time, and for cheap prices. They have some great gear too, especially shaping tools and materials. Maybe check them out if you haven’t already. If it helps, I can get stuff from Seabase here, and I could ship over to you. I occasionally send stuff to my mum down in Alicante so let me know if I can help you get hold of anything.

Well, here I am, about 11 months later, and I’m almost ready to glass my board. Man that took a hell of a long time. Life got busy, and shaping is very messy, and my wife doesn’t appreciate me doing it inside our apartment that much, hahaha, but it’s almost there. For anyone who will see this, i’ve decided (wisely I might imagine) to disregard almost all of the sage advice by the intelligent and skilled builders who have helped me here and go with a fish, which when it’s finally done will be about 6’4". I’ve attached a few crappy photos

 

As you can see the shape isn’t exactly beautiful, but I think I did alright for a hack job rookie. You can tell there are a few spots, especially at the nose and tail along the rails where it seems angled and not smooth and flowing, thats because I switched to a different glue for those parts of the foam lamination and it turned out being really hard and sanding at a totally different rate than the foam, lesson learned there (in fact I’m pretty sure someone warned me that would happen…). Oh well, I was never expecting it to be perfect. There are a lot of bumps and dings which I’m gonna fill with lightweight filler before I glass and obviously I need to cut the tail shape. I’ve been leaving it flat becauseI don’t have the space to leave the board on stands so I need to store it standing up and I didn’t want to damage the tail points. 

I wanted to make something that I would really like, and I really always like the look of fish. My good friend recently got a 5’4" fish and I went out surfing with him the other day, he told me to try out his board so I did and to my amazement it floated me almost perfectly (water was at my belly when I was sitting) and I even tried catching a few waves on it but it was so extremely different than my softie that I just couldn’t manage it yet. To me, having never really surfed a smaller board than the softie I have I found his (what is for me, a 6 foot 2 inch tall, 220 pound guy) tiny potato chip board remarkably easy to paddle. However I did find a bit of new info as well. I thought my softie was an 8 footer because it says 8.0 on it, but I measured it with a tape some time ago and it turns out it’s actually 7’8", no idea why it says 8.0 but it’s not that long for sure. Yeah chopping well over a foot of length off is going to affect me for sure, but I want a challenge, and in the past 11 months my surfing has improved quite a bit. I’m standing all the time, my paddling is much much better, I’m looking when I take off and surfing on the face of the wave, it’s been great. So back to my board. It’ll be a 6’4" swallow tail fish, made out of construction foam from the home improvement store. I’ll be glassing it with epoxy resin, 6+4oz. on the deck, 6oz. on the bottom. Im planning on making my own fins because a) I don’t have a router to do fin boxes and b) fins are really expensive to buy. I really like the look of more old school twin keels, like the really slopey D shaped fins, but I’m also allured by quads, any suggestions? My other question is about glassing on fins with epoxy. From what I understand epoxy can get quite hot, even to the point of melting the foam, is this something I should be worried about? What can I do to mitigate this? And any last bits of advice, tips or things that I should keep in mind as I go into this final stage? Got crititcisms? Lay em on me, I deserve them! Wish me luck guys… 





Amazing. You’ve come a long way, and the more you stick with it, the more you will learn and enjoy success.  I hope you finish it, and get a lot of fun waves.  But don’t glass it in the apartment!!

A lot of time has passed. You are pretty good at this. I am not very expert at this. But I think that you are on the right track and you will succeed.

Hey thanks so much man :slight_smile: I’ve really enjoyed the process, but I know I gotta get this thing finished! I know I shouldn’t but I literally have no other place to glass the board than in the apartment :frowning: I’ve been doing all the work in a spare room that is at one end of our flat and has a window, so my plan is to cover the room with plastic, tape off the door so fumes don’t get into the apartment and keep the window cracked for air ventilation. Is this a really terrible idea? I really have no other place to do it here.

Thanks so much, I really appreciate the kind words :slight_smile:

Well it’s been literal years since my post here, a lot has changed, but on the plus side I’m now gearing up to make my next board(s)!! So exciting, I’ll be posting more about that in a different thread I supposee. Anyhow, it got me thinking about my first board. Turns out it was actually quite a succes, well, for me anyhow. The board ended up being 6’2" in the end, which turned out to be just about right for my weight and skill level. It floated me really well, I could barely sink it to be honest, could’nt quite duck dive it but that might be due to my inability to duck dive. The board surfe well after I got used to it and was remarkably stable (I found) I even have a video of me catching a very small wave wherein I unwittingly drop in on a boogieboarder and am immediately dropped in on by one of my best friends. I’ll try to post it somehow. I guess I just wanted to finally finish this thread and post a few photos of the finished board, which sadly is out of my life now. I actually sold it as we had to leave europe and I couldn’t take it with me. I gave many warnings and explanations of it’s homemade condition and quality, almost trying to dissuade the girl who bought it, but she was exstatic to have it, so that makes me feel good. Farewell big grey. Thank you so much to the amazing people here who gave me advice and help, especially HelterAgain. Maybe I’ll get some more with my next builds.