The US makes great machines and scanners only to sell them to China or those that deal with China/Thailand whatevah. Nothing against China/Thailand. China produced my Hot girlfriend hahahahahahaha
90%? 9 out of 10? Where are you getting these? We’ve gone thru hundreds and haven’t seen anything like that. We started using surfblanks aus before the Clark closure and I have a hard time with that statement based on what we’ve received. This isn’t the first time that I’ve read or heard this rumor but its the first time that I’ve actually read someone stating that they’ve received blanks that bad.
Please let us know who is supplying these so that everyone can avoid them.
Thanks
This is Rich from Rickland Surfboards in NorCal.
I had no problem wit the blanks or the machine. The surfblanks are supa white and never go yellow, supa hard.
The best shit out there! 90% of your blanks are twisted? How many did you shape 4?
You’re the shaper right? so if you get a twist or whatever “fixed”.
Cambio y furea.
Rich
Miki:
My first choice was to buy a APS3000. However they would not sell one to me? I was serious when I emailed about my plans to buy one. 2nd point Did I mention my machine was a 3DM? I was refering to the construction of the machine and the fixturing when comparing quality. Almost all electronic parts are made in Asia. The software delevoper for Shape 3D is French. The builder of the 3DM is American. They are separate companies. You must know that? The software program for the APS3000 was started by the same delevoper as Shape 3D. Correct me if I’m wrong. 3rd Point I want to try a blank from Miget. No one as contacted me? The Aussie do make outstanding boards no doubt. 4th point stop in and see me next time your in the states you can buy me a beer.
Kind regards,
Wardo
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Miki:
My first choice was to buy a APS3000. However they would not sell one to me?
I remember when you wanted to buy a machine. What went down was that we had a deposit from someone else who we granted area rights to your area. Our policy on that is on a case by case bais. So we had already made a committment to someone else. But when this person and his company changed their plans he no longer wanted to get a shaping machine. So we refunded him his deposit, we run a pretty loose policy
with that.
But during that time, we had told you that we had prior commitments, so it makes perfect sense to me if you needed to buy a machine from someone else.
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I was serious when I emailed about my plans to buy one. 2nd point Did I mention my machine was a 3DM? I was refering to the construction of the machine and the fixturing when comparing quality. Almost all electronic parts are made in Asia. The software delevoper for Shape 3D is French. The builder of the 3DM is American. They are separate companies. You must know that? The software program for the APS3000 was started by the same delevoper as Shape 3D. Correct me if I’m wrong.
Yes, here you are incorrect. The people that created and write the software for the APS3000 are myself, my father and we now have another programmer helping us. Miki and many shapers provided valuable feedback and ideas.
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3rd Point I want to try a blank from Miget. No one as contacted me? The Aussie do make outstanding boards no doubt. 4th point stop in and see me next time your in the states you can buy me a beer.
It’s likely I’ll be in your area in a couple of weeks, if your offer is still good, I’ll buy you a beer.
Jimmy
APS3000
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Kind regards,
Wardo
Since Emmanel had no imput on your software I stand corrected.
Sorry for my mis information.
hello Wardo,
now I had a few days time to think about your comments and I also had a bit of time to research the blank part of this thread.
I remember you expressing interest in the APS3000 and yes, we did not sell you one. this is purely a business decision in the interest of a customer who already had gone ahead with the purchase. we try to enable our customers to run a business with their investment, especially when they buy a machine to service a certain region. that way we have a chance to create a satisfied and happy customer base which for us is more important than making another sale. if you would have been the one doing the step first, I am sure you would appreciate our approach. but it never feels good to have to say no either, how can we do it right?
your comment about the software is funny. it certainly got Jimmy going, that’s for sure. but I understand why you say that. here the story:
in the mid nineties I started the design of the APS3000 and one day I got a call from a friend who told me about this french surfboard design program, Shape 3D. it was very much in its beginnings and the programmer, Emmanuel Vilmin, had started the project to help design and built the sailboards for himself and his son. we exchanged some emails and soon after, Emmanuel came over to Australia to sign a contract with Nev and me. from that day on I have put a lot of time and ideas into the Shape 3D program and in early 2000 I was finally able to create a toolpath and machine the designs. but not always things go straight and Emmanuel decided to go other ways. I did try many alternative options, from CAD programs to laser scanning but my original idea was a system that allows a shaper to design and machine a board, much the same way as its done by hand. without the ellbow grease but more sophistication in the way the design can be produced.
Karma made me run into Jimmy and Ralph and from there, things changed for the good. I showed them what I wanted and how I imagined it to work and they created a mathematical reality, the APS3000 design program. the similarities in the programs is my influence, nothing else. everything between the programs is different, from the programming language to the agorithms that define the quality of your curves.
over the weekend I had a chat with Midget. he is just a bit confused (is that the right word?) about how his blanks were “not welcome” at some machine shops (not all but some) in the US just because its a bit more demanding to work with his material. putting “easy machining” ahead of product quality, thats not good, isn’t it. so he was just showing a way how to circumnavigate the problem for those who are interested in delivering a superior product to their customers. Midget has put a hell of a lot of effort in his blanks, he has worked very hard to get it that little bit better. it has great memory and flex, the cell size is extremely fine, its hard, resiliant and very responsive and produced with a lot of care. the surfers love it and that should be enough reason to give it a serious try.
There are most certainly machines beside the APS3000 in the US capable of cutting Midgets foam (Surfblanks Australia), so just don’t stop trying it because the machine shop says: “too hard…”.
Miki:
Thank you for making everything clear.
In regards to Migets foam I do want to get a blank and shape one for my son who is on the ASP world tour.
His feed back is important. I will carry his foam as I have a large storage capacity at my factory. (if it’s good)
I have never seen or used his foam? Who is the contact? How can I get some?
Since I started my cutting service I have used Safari, Walker, Clark, Just Foam, Petritec, US Blanks and lots of EPS and XPS.
Many Pro Surfers are saying they are starting to like the EPS boards because they are more alive. Plus glass shops have improved in there glassing methods.
The Epoxy today is much better than it was 10 years ago. So it’s a whole different ball game. Sure PU is better for the shaper to manage. However the surfer will decide what material they want in the end not manufacturers. The blank business is a hard way to get rich as is having a cutting service. You have to just love surfing and try to provide a good product and great service so we have more time to surf.
Kind regards,
Wardo
Dear surfding
Currently Matt Ambrose in Pacifica and Chris Russell in San Diego have stock of my Australian Surfblanks.
Xanadu, Lost, Hobie, Sharp Eye, and Doc Lausch have Surfblanks Africa and Brazil (Teccel). Sharp Eye will have 2000 in stock - I believe they are available to manufacturers as well.
Surfblanks makes eight densities at an equal weight separation of eight per cent.
You asked about PU foam to compare with EPS and XPS.
American pros have seen the second lightest of these - it was the green glued, Surfblanks Green density foam blank that Chilli oversprayed with white, allowing people to think it was Eskimo foam. Andy Irons and others had several of these - I am sure they still don’ t know where they really came from.
Chilli tried for ages to get me to leave the green glue out but then solved the problem by glueing his Eskimo with coloured glue.
Matt Ambrose has had a few of the Surfblanks Yellow density shortboard blanks (absolute lightest) and has urged me to produce more as they have been well received. This Australian spring I have done some more work on this density and by rejigging the formula and ratio am able to produce numbers.
The new version of the Yellow density has surprised with its hardness - as you know the lighter you go - the softer you get.
Many shapers have held back on buying quality foam for the last few months, in the belief that the ‘second coming’ of ‘Clark’ would answer all problems.
The reality check that has followed the availability of this foam is now prodding shapers to think again.
Surfblanks Australia in Cal.
Matt Ambrose = 650 464 7224
Chris Russell = 619 993 7306
Thanks Miget!
I will call Chris Monday.
Kind regards,
Wardo