Hi Mike, so would V be a good idea for for a big guy board where you increase the length and volume a little?
Clamsmasher Seeing a few modernized early 80’s style thrusters out there now. Fuller noses flatter rockers
and some V.
I do miss seeing hard driven bottom turns that have the board fully on the rail. IMHO one of the reasons people don’t like to surf Fish in fast hollow waves in due to the lost art of useing the rail. You have to free that outside fin and drive the board with the rail.
^ I like your tag line artz.
…the OP first question is regarding HP shortboards…so, MD is right.
V works pretty good for boards and tails with lots of area and volume regarding HPSBs.
-Also, Mako224, first time that I see that a V bottom is the best for tubes…
5’10’ HPSB.
Vee last 8".
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Where exactly did you “see” that? Some freaking people…
your words: “They feel more in control in steep hollow waves.”
Its a giant leap and a giant error to take my words describing my experiences and turning them into any sort of difinitive claim of absolutes. I’m guessing you completely missed the highlighted parts of my full coment in context.
Just my observations: The V bottomed boards catch bigger hollower waves easier. They feel more in control in steep hollow waves. They surf top to bottom better where concave boards feel like they outrun sections. Again, just my observations.
I even reiterated a second time that it was just my observations. Never claimed anything was the BEST for anything. Just my observations based on the boards I’ve ridden over the past 32 years. Your experience may be completely different than mine. Whatever.
http://www.cisurfboards.com/surfboards/the-black-beauty-by-tom-curren/
While in California I stopped in the Rip Curl shop and was looking at a Channel Islands Black Beauty they had on the rack. First board I’ve seen in years on the racks with a full V. Not as heavy of a V as the board in my original post but still V from nose to tail. Really cool board.
Nice board - thanks for the link and description. Did it have more v out the tail, or did they flatten the v out the very back?
The black beauty is an 80s board meant for good waves, so those bottom contours make sense.
Nowadays, most shapers don’t use neutral bottom contours until you get one step past a step-up.
Mike - does the v bottom correlate more with the old school carving style and the concave bottom with the hacks and airs style?
I’m not sure I would make that correlation, bottom contours don’t really have a lot to do with airs - other than getting the velocity to do them.
Full concaves change the AOA of rail, which actually enhances carves. I think we’ve seen plenty of advanced carving turns in the modern era. Probably the best ones ever.
Careful or this will wnd up on Rusty’s blog next week lol.
Radical carving, kellys planning some for Hawaii:
The Vee Master - just kinda Mastered his test for NEW Career! I just PASSED – The Official test for my NEW career!!! I should be hired soon-Reason I vacated da swayz gaNG.
Just came across this excellent video documenting Ryan Lovelace’s collaboration with William Aliotti in crafting some high performance asymmetrical twin fin shortboards, and at about 4:50 - 5:00 Ryan points out the V in the tail and you can see it clearly.
Like I say, its a good video, worth a watch methinks
Two Boards - homemade
Made 2016 red one has V full length with inside channels longer
Made 2022 yellow one has concave feeding long channel on outside and tail V
Wave is same break 7 years apart
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Awesome boards & photos!!
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