We could talk about drucker all day and probably not agree but you state from a previous post regarding the quote in question and its use:
“Unless the guy has some amazing achievements under his belt, there is little chance that the quote or it’s observation, has anything to do with him and his bad behavior.”
Lets reason this statement of yours out. If the achievement is “amazing” then the end justifies the means?
Your are still missing the point. The quote points out that people who are extreme are often extreme in both the positives and the negatives. Just like super mellow people are super mellow in both the positive and the negatives.
The quote doesn’t “justify” anything. It comments on the observation of a common trait.
As long as you hang on to the wrong purpose of the quote you will have an argument. But there really isn’t one there, if you understand the observation rather than a justification that you keep trying to hang on to.
To review, we are talking about surfing and not the cure for cancer right? Not even an amazing achievement would justify anything immoral or whatever solosufer claims had happen to him. I would run from any preacher quoting drucker.
I totally agree. Foamaster… do you realize we are not in disagreement? I AGREE WITH YOU! An amazing achievement would not JUSTIFY bad behavior. The quote was not used by me to justify anyones behavior. But simply to make the point that, if you observe life and human nature you will clearly see that those who achieve amazing things, very often also fail at things in equivalently amazing ways. And that is all the quote is saying. And all I was saying by using it.
Clark did amazing things with his business therefore it doesn’t surprise me if he also had a few amazing failures. This doesn’t justify them. It just means that as a student of human nature I would anticipate them. Just as I would in anyone who is reaching out beyond the norms to achieve what others have not. Anticipation is not the same as justification. Don’t confuse them and it will all begin to make the sense it should.
Please don’t pull me into any comments or presumed agreements with solosurfer or anyone else. I have spoken here in my own words and don’t want my comments to be confused with where the thread may have went otherwise for anyone else.
Apparently, you are no fan of Drucker and I have not problem with that. But temper your dislike for him or his politics or whatever it is that bugs you and don’t read so much into the simple quote. I was in no way trying to sell, promote or praise Peter Drucker. Sheesh, you are sounding like you dislike Drucker as much as other do Clark. Give it a rest!
Regarding this “forgiveness” solosurfer gives out. He forgave but it doesn’t change how much of a scumbag said nemesis is or what he did. Please set him straight on this. Forgiveness is a clean slate and not “forgive but remember”. The guy will have a coronary over this. His nemesis does not even care and solosurfer is a slave to said nemesis unless he truely forgives.
I understand and agree. But that is not my battle nor of any particular interest. Help solosurfer all you like to understand your points. Just leave me out of it.
Back to the original topic. Next month is going to be rough in Hawaii. Lots of folks around here do measure success by doing production surfboards. And it’s the backyarders who are hurting. To help those guys until the import pu gets here, eps is a realistic alternative.
Why are you going there? This thread has nothing to do with the Styropoxy vs Pu/Pe battles. And I could care less either way. I am capable of being competitive in both camps if need be and what others do is their business and of no particular concern of mine.
They ask for for a clark size, make it for them. You see it as a a problem, I don’t.
Those were careful words you chose. They don’t ask for a “Clark size” and you know it. They are asking for the quality of the historical design that is referenced by the name of the blank and that design is absolutely the result of the designers talent. I don’s just “see” a problem with it, there is a problem with what you are doing! But there is a very simple and respectful fix.
Foammaster, you are a commercial opportunist that is suggesting that there is some kind of “incredible World Crisis” that is creating some “Huge Human Tragedy” that then justifies your taking advantage of the designers of Clark Foam’s Blanks.
You are skillfully playing the game that I have mentioned before called, Heroes, Victims and Villains. You are creating Victims so that you can be their Hero and anyone stopping you from doing it the way you want comes out the Villain.
Fact is, You can simple send a couple of bucks to every blank designer that you copy the designs or rockers off of and still make all the blanks you want for your Victims and not only still be the fabricated Hero you were trying to be but actually now be a real Hero with all the associated noble traits that come from doing the right thing! And better yet no one has to wind up being your Villain!
Besides…didn’t you say you were going to do this in some previous post. If so, why are we even discussing it. Just do it and be happy about it. It is a good thing you will have done.
No drucker quotes here, just helping some guys get set up to help the crew here until the calvary arrives. I leave here next week knowing I have helped by filling the void Clark foam has left behind.
Can’t you do that and still pay something to the Blank Designers? You act like one nullifies the other. Be the Hero you want to be. Save the day Lone Ranger. No one is stopping you.
No guilt trips here.
I can see that! This is one of the powerful results of a fabricated Heroism. The huge warm fuzzy of being a fabricated Hero clouds the ability to see the actual Villainous activity that is being re-categorized as Heroic, to avoid guilt. Politicians do this everyday. You should run for office Foammaster, you would be great on the campaign trail. Ha!
Give a man a blank and he shapes for an hour. Teach a man to cut his own foam and he shapes 8 boards per day. The Clark’s talk will be a thing of the past in the next few years.
Why do you keep preaching this gospel? Do you think I am interested? Do you think if you say it enough times it will become true? I am not invested in this Styropoxy vs Pu/Pe battle. The future will be what it will be and most of that will be molded surfboards from China and elsewhere.
The new pu 2x4 will have a new name(probably same dims) from the importer and the eps guys will have customs rockers for each motivated shaper. So when the clarkese is dropped, the living in the past will be a thing of the past.
I agree completely. This being so, pay the appropriate royalties now and move on to your original designs with new names and quit building your business on the good will and reputations of others efforts.
Hop on board or move out of the way, here it comes. Maybe someday you will even be buying foam from one of my crew and we can even probably get your rocker very close to how you remember it.
Quite possibly. I have no disagreement with what you are saying, but I would shy away from doing business with someone who I had to give my proprietary rockers and profiles to later who wasn’t responsible with the ones he was getting access to now! I would wonder if that was a historically trustworthy relationship.
You all can finish this conversation without me. Sorry to be rude but I will not have internet access for about 6 days. Until then!
I gotta go too
AA aka KB