Hey Mick Mick from Mooneeeee Pondzzzzz
Mate was thinking about getting a set of those Keels of Lenny ???
Whats your take on them, go Ok, go bad, go anywhere in particular
love a bit of a run down on them ... (maybe Moneee Pondzz is a bit of stretch) (lol)
W
Thank you, Rob.
I saw your boards too at the Fry and I was really intrigued by that sim-wakeboard..
very interesting design!
it seems that can really fly!!
Hey Foamhead how’s it going.
I didn’t use the keels as a straight up twin keel setup only as quad /supercharged keel if that makes sense.
I had double foiled MR TX rears which worked well with the keels , if you put them together they almost form one fin as in the canard quad theory , kind of.
The keels give so much drive on such a stubby board while the double foiled rears help with release. I’ll probably end up getting a pair on a permanent loan !! he he .
Give Lenny , Julie or the boys a call they have a huge selection of fins and great service.
Cheers
Mooneemick
( nowhere near Moonee Ponds )
I am really interested to hear ride reports…there seems to be a dearth of feedback on how the pictured boards ride.
How does more or less curve in the tail affect the ride?
How does the flat, single or double concaved bottom affect the ride?
How do people like the bump as in the simster-style simmons incarnation?
quads, twin keels, twin + trailer?
I will build one of these next…just curious to hear what’s working and what is not.
more curve, better in my book. to straight of an outline doesn’t fit in the wave, or turn very well. But, then again loads of people clearly like the straight outline, so there ya go…
bottom are unlimited, as long as they aren’t too complex…
ride? fun as hell!
now go make yourself one. I’m dying to see how it would come out with all your crazy build skill!
I rode a mini-simm yesterday for the first time and I know one thing.
As soon as I rode my first wave (which was backhand) that my Van Straalen keel fish would no longer be ridden.
The feel was that good.
The board was made by Daniel McDonald and is 5’6" X 21&1/2" X 2&3/4".
Dan said ride them super short.
Floated me just as I like (45l) with water around my navel/bottom of risbs and caught waves easily and handled the steep drops in 3’ sucky beachbreaks.
Fast and loose with no hesitation to go vertical.
Rolled bottom through the nose with a concave through the fins.
Glassed on parallel wooden keels.
Thick all the way through.
I looked at other mini-simms around the traps and they looked too foiled out in the nose and tail for me.
I had a 5’10" twin keel by Dan which also loved to be thrown around but was not enough volume paddling (esp on long paddles on the points) being about 39l’s.
Still getting my head around riding a 5’6" at my age.
http://www.dmshapes.com/?page_id=123
I’ll ride it some more and still may chop the 7’4" if it doesn’t sell.
Have I mentioned how eye watering fast they are?
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Never mind the junk in the background…
sounds good, actually shaping a few of my own versions, yet to ride one so fairly excited, been reading and researching alot but hearing very contradicting info, so just doin a few and riding them, learn for myself.....good to see someone of your age ( not meaning old at all ) riding smaller boards, most think you have to go longer, not everyone, I am getting shorter, wider, thicker....and so are my boards....
You’ve seen the boards I ride Mark…longer, thicker, wider is great.
Sub 6’ is something I thought not consistently do-able but seems with the mini-simms keeping them short is the key.
my last one was too big in all respects…I have a template from Thrailkill that I want to try. I really like the outline on the one you posted up…I’m thinking about challenging myself and going 5’10ish. I’ll probably draw something up on AKU first to see how the volume nets out.
I’ll take a rocker shot when I get home.
The first one Dan made for Dane Reynolds was 5’4".
He brought it back and had a 4’8" made.
Looking at the 5’4" which is in the shop the tail carries a lot of thickness.
He has a 6’2" Astron Zot McCoy demo which Tim Baker (surf journo) was riding and the tail on the mini-simm has more width and comparable thickness.
Wide tailed McCoys and I don’t get along though.
I’m amazed how quickly the mini-simm turns.
it amazes me that length is still the big debate with these boards…
i checked one of my cut files in Aku, and for a 5’6" it was 43liters! what?! my boards are blades in the rails, not some fat railed beast…43L! that would float a whale…
go short my friends, and lose that fat railed, boat profile…really
“Thar she blows”.
My 5’6" is apparently 45 litres.
At 47yrs, 6’1" and 87 kgs and a buggered shoulder I’ll stick with it.
I’m sure a younger surfer sans shoulder problems weighing 100kgs or so would normally be riding this and thinking “should have gone shorter and thinner”.
Hey Pete'
Now if your talking about retiring that DVS I got pic's of at the fish fry a couple years back, well, just doesn't seem right ..... we'll have to do some PM'ing to discuss matters a bit (lol(lol)
Hows the tin lids going ???? .... grown a bit from when I last saw I'll bet
Regards to the wife as well !!!
W
Hi Walter,
My carbon fibre DVS ended up heading down to Vicco.
That board loved hollow barrels and so didn’t get the water time it so richly deserved.
The DVS I was referring to is a 6’ stringerless, volane twin keel with carbon fibre/bamboo sandwich keels.
Still have my 8’ DVS carbon all rounder which is such a versatile shape.
The girls are now 9 and 11 and we have a new team member: Jasper and he’s just turned 2.
I reckon I’ll be able to make it to the next Fish Fry as the little fella is up for travelling to the Goldie for a day of fun in the sun. So hope to catch up to you again.
My wife’s well too and thanks for asking.
Now back to the bars of soap…
there'll be alot of soap at this years fry, I know I'll be there with some different little beasts, wouldnt be surprised if there was more soap than fish this year.....
re the volume comments...I reckon it all depends on what you want, if the board is to be surfed in small soft waves, then the volume is only a plus, but if its for good waves with some push then you'd want it more refined especially thru the rails, one rule never fits all....
I'm doin mine with flat decks, that way I can have both, volume and a refined performance rail shape....pics as soon as its finished being shaped...
You know Mark I reckon you’re right.
I’m sure the mini-simms will be much more predominant at the next Fry.
Riding mine backhand in knee high waves yesterday provided a revelation.
I’ve never enjoyed riding these size waves and being able to do 3 backhand reos with ease on a knee high wave is something new.
It’s all been equipment based.
The fish spawned from knee boards provided the planing area and the looseness of keels on the rail.
However thinking about it. Kneeboarders need their fins forward because of the position of their bodies providing leverage.
Of course standing up we have the option of weighting and unweighting our legs.
But the wide point forward and narrower tail doesn’t provide the planing area under the back foot to support the surfers weight when the waves aren’t powerful.
Throw in a McCoy wide tail concept and the planing area is now under the back foot supporting the surfers weight.
However the thruster set up is still providing drag to allow control. Go to a single and put the wide tailed board up on its rail and the hold is gone when the fin pops out on a cutback.
The mini-simm with its wide tail have maximised planing area under the backfoot.
Then the fins on the rail give drive, hold and pivotability (due to placement).
It all makes sense now…Put most surfers used to normal shortboards on a mini-simm and I’m sure they will take to them easily where they would have struggled to gell with a fish.
I hope they all stay on their hybrid/compromise thruster slightly shorter, wider, thicker boards for the less than perfect days though.
Hi Cuttlefish, would you mind posting the tail width and fin Placements on this board, I want to try a more Twin fin setup on my next one of these I shape?
I’ve ridden mine twice now in chest high waves. It surfs better than my last try. The differences are I pulled in the tail a couple of inches. Added a bit of belly in the front. I moved the fins up. My last minisimms was stiff. I took some Zippi Keels and cut them down. I don’t know if you can see it in the picture. This board rides fishlike. Not as fast or maneurverable, but better than previous board. I enjoy surfing it, but I won’t be getting rid of any of my other boards including fishes which I put in the same category as short,wide, fat, small wave boards. I’ve gotten two comments on the board in the water. Both were, “that things looks wild.” One guy thought I was surfing a broken longboard until he saw it up close. A good description, really. I laminated this board with epoxy. It’s from a USBlanks 6-2C. Yellow and orange tinted resin. Fall colors. Splotchy as usual.Mike
No worries.
The tail width is 18 & 1/2".
The trailing edge of the keels is 1 & 1/4" off the tail.
The leading edge is 10 & 3/4" up from the tail.
Keels are 9 & 1/8" long and 4 & 5/8" tall.
Here’s a rocker shot too…
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yeah, seems obvious in hindsight like alot of designs that gain popularity.....
