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Paul, you have zero clue. 30 year old shapes? Please bro. Look at my pictures. I'm 44 and doubt you can even hold a candle to me on these boards. I do stuff on this board that most can't do.
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I'm 50 and I can nose manual :D
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thats pretty hot! im 38 and cant nose manual for shit! hahaha! im stoked, another o.g. with a skate background! auwryte!
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Makakilo, the finished dimensions are 7' x 22 3/4" x 3 1/2", hopefully we get some waves in a couple days to test drive it. I agree with everyone here about making your own board, sounds like you should have no problem with your backround. I hope if and when you make your own board you post the progress with some photos
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whooo-wheee! shes a beauty!! shes gonna go like hell i bet!! let us know!
~~Aloha!
The dick thing wasn’t about my surfing, until someone popped off, but I was trying to show the boards do work - they are far from 30 year old boards that I used to ride in the 70’s. Not even close.
The dimensions at the tail are 19 and the nose are 17 (measured 12" from nose & tail. I don’t have the accurate stuff to measure rocker in my garage but it’s very flat with mild flip in the nose. Hawaii is so extreme that we’d need to know the type of wave he’s going to ride.
alright jeff, that is fucking ENOUGH with the shit talking already brother! whats gotten in to you??? stop it please my friend.....
[quote="$1"] Who is the best surfer? The one who is rippin and tearing the wave appart? The one who is popping airs on every wave no matter if he lands them or not? The one who catches the most waves or the one who catches the one with the best quality? The one with the most style, like Gerry López?... to me it's the one having the most fun... the holy grail, something very different that maybe most cannot comprehend... Underwater bodysurfing??? ... To me Greenough was and still is light years ahead... to surf on air with maximum speed and minimum friction, variable rocker, rails and planning area, simplicity and no extra charge for excess luggage... the holy grail: a surf mat... Fun and speed mix as good as peanut butter and jelly! [/quote]
sí señor, tiene usted toda la razón! No la mente de mi amigo, nunca lo que se sabe forma Thi. pero lo han antonio bien!
~~~Aloha!
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The dick thing wasn't about my surfing, until someone popped off, but I was trying to show the boards do work - they are far from 30 year old boards that I used to ride in the 70's. Not even close.
The dimensions at the tail are 19 and the nose are 17 (measured 12" from nose & tail. I don't have the accurate stuff to measure rocker in my garage but it's very flat with mild flip in the nose. Hawaii is so extreme that we'd need to know the type of wave he's going to ride.
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thanks jeff, its gonna be my daily driver. 5' hawaiian and under.
~~Aloha!
Here’s my philosophy. Volume makes an average guy a better surfer. I can “NOT” ride a standard shortboard at all. Most will say to load up the volume in the length. Here in Encinitas we have been loading the volume up in the width and thickness. 5’ Hawaiian is double overhead likely. So my thought would be 6’5" X 24 X 3 5/8" using a similar shape to what I have. Why? Because you will FLOAT LIKE A MOTHER FUCKER. When you float it’s easier to take off, generate speed, and do manuevers. I would do the same nose and tail I have because my board is a little narrower so it would be “pulled in.” Depending upon how steep the waves you are riding you’re going to want more or less rocker. That board that you see Ted on is too big for him in small surf “but” in big surf he blows up. Big surf here is average or below average surf for you guys. You are bigger than him but you’d pull that tail in just a hair.
Let me get his dimensions and take a few pictures of that board from the side view, rocker, rails so we can inspect it further. Mine is a little different. I’ll try to get some closer pics tomorrow.
hi jeff. i never ride 7 foot funboards . please read my post all my boards are my hight or shorter. im close to your age and weight. these rockers and outlines are nothing new.mcoy and neal purchase junior has been making them for a long time and his dad before that. the boards i posted are all 58 to 6 3 and low entry rockers. only difference is alot had V 50/50 rails and single fins and probably less tail rocker. not a lot of difference mate other then the fins
yes you surf well and the rat boards look functional. however i reapeat again that the designs are nothing new. if i didnt shape and surf and i lived in califorinia i would consider one of these boards. however there are lots of other shapers doing these style of designs and the influence is primarily aussie! that top board is 1969 from midget farrelys factory. you know our old mate midget . the one that still blows some of the best foam available
please read the whole thread carefully before jumping to conclusions. we all agree you surf well… but any shaper worth his salt should be able to make a board within these numbers and guidlines
http://nealpurchasedesigns.blogspot.com/
http://www.morningoftheearthsurfboards.com/mr_freedom.html
note the quality of the glassing as well .
this thread of makakilos has always been about numbers. i can link to the numbers on those 40 year olds boards and perhaps you can post numbers of the rat boards and we can compare the numbers
if the pros wanna run some numbers by us all instead of using the thread to adverstize then we can move forward . otherwize they should stay off the thread
http://www.surfresearch.com.au/index.html
so that little keyo egg is pretty darn close to where we are at mr j… 1969 jeff mccoy. has a rounded pin instead of round tail and fuller nose but very similar curves. of course the egg is only 5 8 . maybe we could find out from jeff the rocker entry and tail rocker.
**Length:**
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5
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**Width:**
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20 1/2 | inches |
**Wide Point:**
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x
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**Nose : **
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16 1/2 | inches |
**Tail:**
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15 1/2 | inches | |
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**Thickness: **
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inches |
**Pod:**
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0
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inches | ||
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**Nose Lift: **
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inches |
**Tail Lift:**
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inches | |||
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**Weight**
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kilos |
**Volume:**
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litres | |||
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**Other, Flyer/s:**
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inches |
FEATURES
Nose:
round
Tail:
round
**Deck:
**S-deck,
domed
Bottom:
flat
Rails:
50/50 tending down at the tail
Rocker:
MrJ:
Which blank would you recommend from US Blanks for the 6-6 you drew up?
Mahalo,
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this one of NPJ is fully stylin. id consider trading the left one for that
g’day Uncled,
both your blank recommendations so far have been for a more conventional scaled up HPSB rocker, which is fine if thats what you want. However Paul’s Fatcnt rocker features very low entry, Jeff aka Danecurren is telling us his Rat boards feature very low entry, so thats why I’m suggesting different blanks. For the original Fatcnt design (which is now considered too small Makakilo) Paul gave my blank choice the thumbs up, so hopefully I am on the money with the blown up Fatcnt 2 which requires a bigger blank. The last blank you suggested would require just a 4" chop and I illustrated that roughly even a more drastic 6" chop (which is not possible for the length requirement) would roughly produce too high an entry at the 1’ mark - and a smaller 4" chop would further reduce the possibilities for reducing entry ie produce something even higher than I showed.
Makakilo’s blank suggestion looks like we can[img_assist|nid=1059003|title=Fatcnt2 low entry rocker blank suggestion|desc=|link=none|align=left|width=640|height=384] get the low entry - it has room for a 9" chop. As I said before I’m estimating the new entry rockers coz chopping off just the front sends the mid-point back from the point where the original rocker was measured, but provided the rear half of the blank has a sort of continuous curve then I reckon it would be near as dammit.
By putting a rocker stick on the blank before the chop we could be reasonably assured of not overdoing the entry reduction - could always chop less off the front and a bit off the tail if the rocker stick is telling us entry will be too low.
What do you or anyone else reckon of my reasoning?
cheers!
Fatcnt2 rounded pin version is currently drawn with a 18" tail and a 15 1/2" Nose - a bit “gunnier” than yours, however you are in Encinitas and Makakilo want it to go in up to 5’ Hawaiian - I reckon the new design is alright as is.
very high nose rocker didn’t stop me from spinning out the McCoy nugget on a fairly tame wave, I’ve also seen my mate who owns it spin it out in steep wave. I think you are right about steep waves liking a bit more rocker and I reckon we are heading in the right direction with the tail flip design Paul originally illustrated - the main body of the rocker is still low so we will get the glide.
yes please the dims of Ted’s board would be good to know. However Ted doesn’t look like he is shortboarding to me due to the massive width of his board (I think you said something like 24") - the body english reminds me of a pic I have of myself on a Takayama egg - like a longboard to me.
Makakilo, this thread has been a lot of fun and the new information on the Rat boards has made me rethink whats possible and I’ve learned from looking at Paul’s design too. I don’t mind sidestepping a little bit of wreckage 
As Marc Price former pro surfer and now Firewire bigwig once said on another surf forum where would the internet be without some “sparks and fireworks”. I think there is a way of printing an outline from boardCAD to make a template from. I’m going to be in Queensland from tomorrow for a week, so not sure if I’ll be online much if any design adjustments are needed although I did mail the files to Paul. PM me your email address and I’ll send it to you.
time for me to climb back onto my rockered out potato chip and dream of surfing like Sally
Uncled, I recently dropped down from 6’ 1" to 5’ 11" with a little extra width in the nose and reduced entry rocker, yet got myself something which paddles just as well in a shorter package. The reduced entry also helps the board skate down the line on the fat sections. Mine wasn’t drastic low entry, but I did feel the situation where I wanted to slam the front of the board up and down to get going in boggy sections (what Paul calls grommet HP shortboarding!) a tad more sticky than the higher entry.
If this is not what you are after then stick to your blank suggestions. Something you might want to think about is that if you do go for the Fatcnt/Rat board low entry rocker then perhaps go a little shorter than you were originally thinking - in other words if you thought the 6’ 6" would be just the right length for you in your last (or first) blank choice then maybe 6’ 5" or even shorter would be better if going for the lower entry blank choices (with nose chop) that we have been talking about on this thread. this is theory though I haven’t built or ridden a board like Pauls or the Ratboard - I’m just trying to extrapolate my experiences.
you should be able to get this out of a 66 kneeboard blank btw if available. bennet kneeboard and some sout african mob
thanks for the file btw J
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@ mr. J yes absolutely spot on mate! thanks! i have no desire to ride a 5'2" or to do backflips. just want to catch alot of waves and do a few stylish, powerful straight-ups and deep dish cutbacks! i think the 6'6" will get me there! im blown away by the effort you folks have gone thru! i owe you all a pint next time ya come thru the islands hey!? cheers!
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Makakilo, this thread has been a lot of fun and the new information on the Rat boards has made me rethink whats possible and I've learned from looking at Paul's design too. I don't mind sidestepping a little bit of wreckage :) As Marc Price former pro surfer and now Firewire bigwig once said on another surf forum where would the internet be without some "sparks and fireworks". I think there is a way of printing an outline from boardCAD to make a template from. I'm going to be in Queensland from tomorrow for a week, so not sure if I'll be online much if any design adjustments are needed although I did mail the files to Paul. PM me your email address and I'll send it to you.
time for me to climb back onto my rockered out potato chip and dream of surfing like Sally
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sweet as mate! ill do that right now! thanks so much!
boardCAD is a great program, we are now a step closer to getting Makakilo shorter and wider on his daily driver.
I downloaded the free bullzip PDF printer and printed an outline and a spin template template option, both will do the same job.
I chose the "over the curve" option coz the template will be layed over the blank hull curve.
Chose A3 paper size coz the templates are too wide for A4. The print grid should help allignment of the multiple pieces of paper - the spin template fits on just three sheets of A3
if some boardCAD experts could check these files for sanity that would be great (or offer better print solutions)
nice explanation and diagram on spin/flip templates by John Mellor here:
http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/questions-about-flip-templates