And get some feedback on the weights of the boards you’ve made
As you all probly know I’m new at building boards (start to finish) although I’ve been in the arena for quite some time doing some but not all the steps.
Attached is the 10’ x 3.5 thick eps w veneer deck and bottom ( ya I know you’ve seen it)
Ken, we’re all different in what we want out of a board, so I’m not really sure how much this will help…
First of all, I do surf 99% of the time on boards in the 10’0 to 10’2 range, and I weigh or comparatively heft most any board I can get my hands on. So, although generalizing with numbers is a little iffy - I think this might be what you want:
Your garden-variety Surftech of that size will be around 14-15 lb (tufflite, not wood veneer);
hand made epoxy/EPS, about 16 (with a 1/4" wood stringer);
a better-built composite like a Cobalt or a Surftech woodie or one of my compsands (with balsa skins & 4 oz glass everywhere, and 2# EPS) will be right around 18-20, with the biggest differences in the thickness & quality of final treatments like glossing;
Point Blanks with XPS and multiple glass layers, about 19;
PU blank with 6/6 + 6 S glass around 21;
pu blank with triple 4 + double 4 around 23,
and a pu blank with volan etc. anywhere up from there to 28 or so.
No modern board is going to be 30 or more unless someone tried really hard to make it that way.
So it sounds like yours is on the lower end of the range, well done
Yeah, Paul, DanB has made many 9’0’ to 9’2s in the sub 10 lb range. That’s Bert’s range as well.
I didn’t include them because it takes an extreme dedication to build materials & methods that could in no way be considered mainstream…
And, I dunno - this is my opinion alone - they’re too light for a longboard. If you want to surf it like a shortboard…make a shortboard. Unless you’re committed to 9’ for a contest or something, even the Tufflites don’t feel right to me, and I spend a hell of a lot of time on longboards. I surfed one of Dan’s once, felt like I could slap it back & forth all day if I wanted to, but its a pretty weird style for longboarding. I can say all this - Dan’s a good friend - and I can even say that his latest is only 8.5#. But I’m not rushing out to build one
Dan gave one to Cj3 to surf, he’s a pro-level Steamer Lane local. C broke it, replaced the rails with more wood & a springer under the deck, now its about 14lb and C considers it more surfable, even for a dedicated shortboard guy. But I should probably let those guys tell the story.
For Dan, I’m pretty sure the intellectual & engineering challenges in going as light as possible play at least as big a role as the performance considerations. He’s a guy who loves a challenge - and he found one.
I was going to reply to this thread about halfway through reading it, but now I saw my name pop up I feel like I HAVE to
First to answer the original posters question. If you’re building single fins I’m completely in agreement with Ben in regards to weight. I built several very similar 9’6" singles. They were built from the same preshaped rocker table within a fairly close time frame (so my skills hadn’t changed much). One is done with 1 lb eps and weights around 13 lbs. The other is made from 2 lb eps and weighs over 20 lbs (I’m guessing). In every type of wave the heavier board out surfs the lighter one. I’ve been surfing it a lot of late (I speared the Bert Board I made with Christian and its no more (I wasn’t too sad since it never was as good a board as the twins)) and have NEVER had the urge to take out the lighter single fin.
The Bert board is much better suited to the type of wave I regularly surf (In fact, since I busted the Bert board I haven’t been able to surf any of my regular breaks). In regards to weight on these boards - there is no such thing as too light. They are designed to compensate for lack of inertia by being designed for speed (Bert’s design, not mine). I think I missed the mark for a 8 lb board, but I think that I’ll come in the low 9’s. However, I think that I made this board strong enough that I might even let Christian The Destroyer have a go on it. I’ve done a lot of different things that I think added strength without adding weight (both glass and shape). Thanks to Ben’s help on the single fins I’ve finally figured out how to make the board not look offensively ugly.
One of my first vacuumed boards was a 6’1" fish, 2lb eps with full veneer all over. With fins, I think it ran about 8lbs. Solid as a rock though. I get lower weights with my compsands, but I think 17 sounds pretty respectable for your board.
Great veneer by the way, what kind of wood is that? Looks beautiful!