The only super 60’s log I ride is a Greg Hunt square tail. Very thick, egg rails, flat, tailkick etc. Night and day different from that design
The profile on that thing makes it look very fragile. Looks flexible too. Why would one want so much flex in a noserider. What is that board supposed to do? Looks…specific.
these boards do flex alot. benny1s example is similar to one of my fav ones. if you look at the rocker on that one the flex creates a flat bottom when on the nose. they pick up speed as the wave flexes the tail down and you flex the nose as you walk. they are over flexable if you do not walk the board. hoping up to the nose is not a option. they have a very pinched tail with extremly hard rail rolled vee. turns on a dime even with a bigger board. ive ridden them down to 9’6’’ up to 10’2’’ all work good but my 10ft and bigger work better. as for fagile its a surfboard. ride it fix it and keep on going. they all work better dinged up and worked over. maybe that helps design a bit
Like the Boss Stub…
[img_assist|nid=1043211|title=not long|desc=|link=none|align=left|width=453|height=640]
Shitstix13…I sent you props for being so funny…What a Name!!!
I came up with all kinds of stupid questions I could ask you like “Do you have a mini log?” or “How’s your board surf in the bowl?”
Thanks for making me smile !
Have a great day
Ray
I like the subject of this thread – I was waiting for Benny to put up his pics of his again–howzit Ben. I like that stub too dukdiv. Someone put up some more pics of Boss boards or put up a link to some more pics if there are any online.
Double & t-band stringers help 'em not break. I agree, they ride a little better once the gloss coat is all covered with stress cracks. The glass is still fine underneath, just that unreinforced resin layer has to get worked in a little.
The one in this photo is for sale at Icons
Here are some old clips of Bob-O riding one. Dig the cool funk dog style…he goes in my top ten for one of the most fun surfers to watch!!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paCXHlJnb2s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70H8YLhV-Us&feature=related
Im curious about that stub, any reports?? I need a small beach break mush buster. Or would the mini simmons blow it outta the water?
Hi Benny,
I rode a Boss just like yours down in Scorpion Bay recently. On that type of fast, lined-up wave, it worked well provide you were on the nose dangling all ten. It would speed up once you got ten. Cheater fives didn't work unless you were pushing down the nose.Two feet back from the tip an it would push water, but get the ten and it was amazing. Very responsive with the flex pintail as well. It has a very 'lively' and controlling feel. Very surprising and refreshing.
thank you to all that replied talking about the surfboard and had questions about it and that had legit input… i posted this to hear what people have to say about it and see if they could think of a board at that size thats a single fin that is as responsive and nose rides as well and to even to discus the disign very thouroghly … the other posters just talkin shit… piss off… and the question about the stub… or mini simmons… go with the stub or the pig lizard… the pig lizard has 10 chanels and 4 wings and the same out line as the stub… i would go with one of those … mini simmons are fun in small surf but dont get the drive and hold that a boss stub or boss piglizard will… hope i helped
[quote="$1"]
so all i see is a bunch of people at this point trying to bag on hepcat. why dont you guys talk about the boards design. does anyone know what they are, or is everyone going to bicker about the opening statment. the people i know that ride them can or cant. its a different type of equipment that could work if you let it work the way its supose to. they have alot going on thin s deck ,crazy rails. lets hear what people have to say about the DESIGN since that what we are talking about.!
Ok, I'll chime in........thanks for the pix, I'll do a knock off of one tomorrow. Just one question, is it heavier than a Cooperfish?
Nothing is good nor bad, thinking merely makes it so.............Shakespeare
wana be shaper and avid boss rider
[/quote]
to johnmellor… i dont think im the cats meow and obviousely you probably ride a peice of shit epoxy 3 fin or china board… your the one coming out talkin shit all you had to say was that you saw a couple or them and you think there a ufo copycat and you obviously dont know what a greek eliminator is which came out before the ufo and is a lot closer design wise… and when your around surfboard design all day everyday you hear a lot of questions everytime your seen with one in the water… whats with these dick bags on here… im only being aggressive cause so far almost everyone thats commented on this has had some smart ass im so sick attitude… half of em probably can barely get up on a surfboard let alone be in trim…
At least you had some info on the only boss surfboard I could actually use around the small beachbreak round my place. Really interested in some more rider input (more like output) on the stub. Any video of stubby wubby in action floatin around?
dlock, Tiny bit of input on the Boss stub in this thread…
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:X1V4fqQvc9AJ:www2.swaylocks.com/node/1027407+“boss+stub”+surfboard&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Along with some other small shapes, that stub was for sale at Icons of Surf.
Thnks d-div, all the competent shapers here on this design forum one thread about short designs ?? My hawaiian surfing bud “John” would say, “wtf is up with that”??
Oh well chuckles from me cuz I had a couple waves today, thnx again.
You sure about that? If you are refering to these boards in the catgeory of Benders or Flexers such as- Surfboards Hawaii Model A, Cheater, Hansen Powerflex models, UFO, Eliminator, Step deck Yater spoon, I would wonder which one came out first. Anybody know? I just classify them all as " benders developed in the the same era, 66ish".
In my opinion…Boss Surfboards are their own deal compared to an eliminator or UFO. Sure, they are thin in the nose and flex, and have flip in the tail but that’s about it. The greek and the UFO have different bottoms and rail lines.
I would say the love/hate of Bob-o’s 10’0"s is they are dramatic in rocker, foil, outline, and nothing blends. Most veteran shapers think they are hideous, as they are lumpy, bent, stepped, crazy rail line, no blend in the rocker, outline etc. The opposite of what the riders typically want to see or feel. Just paddle out on one and watch people faces when they see the board for the first time. With a board having extreme sections, the rider has to have their timing down and be in the correct section for the board to do what it is supposed to.
Middle
section-Parallel outline with a super flat bottom. Full
rails to keep the board above water and trims well from this section…a planning
hull.
Tail-Thin, flipped tons of vee, huge fin that feels normal
to small in the water. These boards are responsive and drive turns around themselves like
no other single fin log.
Nose- Unreal bender…push water a bit but you can
set up noserides further back to get more weight forward. Yes, they
have the over the hump feel at two thirds up, but when on the tip, tons
of lift, adjustibility of speed and line, and they dont spin out.
They are simply far from neutral. Footwork and an all or none ride style required, but holy shit…it you dial it in no other blended log can produce such results.
I can honestly say, I have had the best and worst rides on a Boss
One open minded riders opinion…
right on… thank you this is the kind of post and replies i was looking for when i put this on… very cool thank you for the legitimate input ind info 
-E
A lot of this thred isn’t worth subjecting yourself to…probaly because the first impression was taken wrong by everybody. That being said, the design aspect of the Boss board is pretty different from the norm.
As far as what came first…Yater Spoon, Harbour Cheater, all that stuff…the Spoon was a collaboration of Miki Dora with Yater. As the story goes, Greg Noll’s “Da Cat” came about as a result of Yater passing on doing business with Miki more formally…given Miki’s colorful past, no doubt a good decision. I think Harbour’s Cheater came about very close to the same time…that would be around '65 - '67…possibly even simultaneously if you buy into “The Hundreth Monkey” concept. Rick UFO’s were in the water when I was on my Spoon.
There was a lot of design/model energy raging in '64, ‘65, 66’ & '67…right up and into the ‘short board revolution’: Dru Harrison Improvisor, Barry Kanaiapuni Model, Blue Machine, Trestle Special, Hansen’s Models, Weber Performer and Harold Iggy’s stuff, on and on and on. We were at the height of longboard design, then WHAM! Big manufacturers were caught with their pants down as everyone was demanding shorter. My own personal progression had me going from 9’8" to 9’3" to 7’11" vee bottom to 7’4" Pocket Rocket to 5’6" stubby in pretty rapid fashion. Those were the days of Mike Purpus V bottom’s and the Jacobs “Streak”. Owl came out with the wide back V bottoms (I was yet to shape for Owl…those were coming from Tom Hale) and baby pintails. The mantra became “how short can YOU go”?!!
There is a whole host of East Coast stepdecks that were made during '65-'67, but being a west coaster i’d have to defer to Mike Daniels, Gary Propper, Bruce Valluzi, Flea Sharpe, Peter Pan, or Matt Keschle, or some other EC’er to fill in that gap.
Obviously the whole concept of the step deck was to allow for flex thereby straightening the rocker and increasing trim speed while on the nose versus the teardrop concave that trapped water thereby boosting resistance and creating lift. Step decks reduced “swing weight” while noseriding at faster speeds than closed teardrop concaves.
The teardrop concave was intentionally designed to slow the board down while clocking more time on the nose: which was the criteria that the Morey Pope Noseriding Contest was all about held at Ventura Fairgrounds (Stables) in (pretty sure) 1965. Wasn’t the winner on a Hobie designed Concave Noserider? The way the rules went, all boards had to be painted with Slipcheck in the front 25% of the board, and all kinds of approaches were present, including bricks glued sideways on the tailblocks to induce drag, winged fins, and even a board that had an extended stringer way past the tailblock that was supposed to qualify as part of the total length so the rider didn’t have to get so far up on the ‘real’ nose of the board.
Just going back to the pix of the Boss board, in all fairness, I give the guy props for trying stuff. Otherwise how do we learn? What if Simon and Brewer didn’t try sticking additional fins on a single fin, and so on. Yeah, the shape may upset the aesthetic sensibilities of some other shapers, but no one’s arm is being twisted to buy one.
If you want your sensiblities to truly be rocked, just go to the GSI sight and look at the Meyerhoffer design. Big waist cut and other features far from the norm. Funny enough you can also see some of that approach on the Morey soft boards he is promoting. There is defintely some snow ski waist cut influence going on in the outlines of both of them.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
ya heard all about that da cat model and the story behind it your right on…matt calvani told me all about it… very good comment and much apreciated… and yes older shpers hate the lines behind the boss and have heard many times before from them… “those are the ugliest boards i have ever seen”… bill stewart and i were talking about them and thats what he had to say hahahha i laugh at that… everything you said about the boss is right on very cool… and yes every time you go out on one and they have never seen one before trip on it espesially when they see how it rides :)… and those old school nose riding events with all those weird things they used to try are hilariouse hahah i read all kind of stuff on that a while ago and couldnt beleive the stuff they were trying haah… thanks for the good comment…
dead shaper and grant are perfect examples of perfect feed back awsome dudes this is perfect… THANK YOU…