Nice board! Tan and green! That’s the first one for me with those colors - cool.
Anyway, I’ll take a look at Apache surfboards… THANKS.
About my Sims: I think I can go 5’10" - being I’m going 23" wide. It’ll be a “Big piece of foam” laughs.
I don’t know how this will work? But I’m thinking after I plane out my bottom to rough thickness, also skin the deck. I’ll flip it back over and just surform out a little section 12" up from tips… and just blend it into overall rocker. This is how I shaped my first round pins Fyi. My friend kept pestering me to " make sure I thin tips out…" so I just grabbed surform and scrubbed almost a skateboard like kick tail! LOL. FYI I T,alked to a shaper, about my board I had shaped. Anyway, I had told him I wanted a looser turning board. Then he said he would add extra kick in tail. No joke, my twin seemed like the tail lifted up slightly 14" or so…I geuss it varies WHERE you set your fins, or whrever you - say want your pivot point to be.
Barry - you’re right! The 6’ r seems to have quite a lot of nose rocker…
I don’t know what I’ll do until I get my blank. I’m thinking about getting me a super green blank “over size” so as to get what I want. That way I could chop off a big portion off the tail to - just closer to flat as I can get it in the tail half…for nose I might even chop, or saw off a piece there also - as I think I’ll just put a little flip in the first 1 foot and a half… it’s just my intuition and whatever. I’ll take your guy’s advice and do a bit of a continuous rocker. Or create a rocker. Thank God for commercial blanks! I can just follow the rocker in blank.But they tend to vary I notice - so I might have to cut something in? I might just take a surform to it, and block,or my planer…I.don’t want tons of rocker. Just enough so that I can tip the board up onto a rail…
Anyway, about planing in tail rocker, I’m kinda new to skil100.
But I have noticed on a vid a guy pushes the lever for - otf adjustment --as he’s cutting! In the cutting sequence the Shaper was cutting rail bands, and he was cutting at a angle on rails - while pushing lever - to a lower setting - as he walked while planing…I think this technique could apply to anything where you would require a “tapered” cut… or a cut where a gradual thinning is done.
So cutting in tail rocker, I think I’ve seen Shapers cut from tips forward. But would I still cut at a angle, or doesit matter?
Here’s a board from -Tyler I found on Google search. I like the color - although I’d go a shade lighter… according to his dims his red one I think has a 17" nose x 16 3/4" tail x 22" wide. Dunno, but I’m thinking about a little wider?
Anyway, I was browsing through my fin brochure and I kinda like - bamboo gephart fins. The two other keels are Hobie fish, and the forth set is Tyler Warren keels. Dunno, but I think I’ll order the bamboo fins.
The aqua turquoise blue Sims I think is a Andreini board?'pretty clean design.
I too love that foil, Barry. Spot on. Wish I could take it home with me.
Here is a little rule of thumb for the MS: if you want it to turn better, don’t make the tail more narrow. instead make the board shorter. they are meant to be ridden very short so you can throw them around on the wave. you will be surprised how short you can go with a wide board and lots of foam hidden in there. I am 62, weigh 165 and ride a 5-6 by 21 3/4. I could probably go 5-4. And do what Barry says on rocker.
ok…do you know if 15-16" WIDE @ tail block is about right? I geuss I could go 5’10" since I weigh 205? and just make it 22-23" wide. I’m also into maybe doing a simple single concave up to center? Or do a planer down the line… stop it just past wp a bit? Then dish it out w sanding block.thanks for the info.
If you think 5’10" is too sizey, well, what about 5’6"-5’8"? I suppose if I built a 5’6" and it felt too small I can always sell it and shape another.
Gentlemen - I like the aqua dark green/blue board I posted w chopped down nose ! Debating the chop thing? I might just do the round nose lb design on spin template, and pull the tail down more on template to trace the straight t curves for my tail block.
yup! Sounds good. I geuss the " nagging " desire to Shape my -Sins board will subside
once I pick up a blank. Yes I believe my lb template should work! THANKS for the MOTIVATION ! Maybe we shoud make ourselves a little -Sims to “NAG” about! Laughs
Planer runs fine- just no blades! I’m gonna get it up and running soon.
Well Folk’s, I did more research and
one of the orig “mini simmons” had a single to double concave v slight vee out the tail block…down rails.round lb nose, parallel outline, slightly pulled tail…rocker looks almost flat in rear half??? Correct me if im wrong k. And it had nose flip. But I’m lost on this one…if anyone can fill me in on a mini sims rocker setup - great! Tia
Folk’s - I nailed down some important info! According to several people on different Forums - one notable poster on " Surfer Magazine " stated clearly that the rocker setup for a Traditional Mini Simmons has ZERO “0” tail rocker! And 4" of " nose flip. " I take it that this means: nose half also doesn’t have a typical rocker (pulling from center), but rather a " flip “, or bend or curvature somewhere in the 12”-24" zone. Sadly the poster forgot to cover it. Or how he setup his " nose flip" option. My geuss is he simply up turns the nose a little and calls it done?
PLEASE, IF ANYONE CAN CONFIRM
THIS INFORMATION -I’d really appreciate it. I just need to know the basics of the MINI SIMMONS Design - that way I will be shaping basically a True Mini Simmons. Ok, once I nail down the basic ingredients, I can now start my slight deviation from the design-if that makes any sense? For me it’s important to understand wth a true mini is FWIW. According to the purists – a mini simmons has approx 0 tail rocker, and 4" of nose flip, single concave starts just in front of wp and through the tail where double concaves almost create v out tail…this isn’t how it’s setup. It’s just info I read about orig Sims boards. I don’t know how it’s setup? I suppose I could cut a single from above wp slightly, and carry out the tail - then throw doubles through the fins? Enough said for now. Now descibe your take on it all…Jim
Apparently they say the Sims boards have a down rail, softer entry on the bottom rails going to hard rails in the tail section…or vs vs. Or from rear hard progressively softens - until it’s softest out the nose end… I’ll probably do a 1/4" rolled edge, and harden it in tail section, and roll it progressively deepest out the nose end FWIW.
Two more things: there seems to be a displacement hull thing going on; the entry area is convex flowing into a flat bottom flowing out tail w edge… but the single to double concave w almost veed doubles and a nearly flat out tail block…maybe this double (almost slight vee) is critical to get the board to tilt up on a tail for a functional turn being flat in rear half of board? In theory you’d think a very flat board would be difficult to turn. But then again, if say, the board is very short we can " over power it " to get it to turn… another thing I noticed surfing a 5’3"-5’4" kneeboard once w flatter rocker in tail was: well, board had a longer vee panel to almost center! This allows a board to easily tip up on rail… then w nice flat vee panels - board increased speed in and out of turns…the only drawback was: you had to turn hard up on a rail for it to generate gobs of unimaginable speed…this concept (not my own) I’m thinking might be worth a go on a flat tail half design! Might only work for boards under 6’ though?
A theory I noticed: the thing (mini simmons) almost sounds like a water ski rocker! Ie; flat tail/up turned flip in nose… maybe a concept to generate gobs of speed? Then there’s hydronamic boat hull bottom ideas, and also aero dynamics going into these designs…pretty advanced. I geuss one CAN’T really judge a book by the cover.
Not me, but maybe this -Sims thing I plan to make might be the ticket to further take board design into the future! Please tell me what I can do to help get my ideas into a true Sims variant. If any suggestions to improve my design you think might help pls describe what I might do. Ty- Jim
I’ve already built a board w pink deck and pine green spray can on bottom… my glasser donated paint free! I ended up naming the board “the water mellon.” My buyer loved it!
I was thinking lighter purple and turquise blue. But now I decided to just glass it clear and roll my blank out pure white… make it "economy " board bcuz most people dont spend $h*t…best to make um cheap!
