Can I protect epoxy & Eps from a hot car with poly resin?

In short, I guess I’ll have to buy a thermometer.

However…
I used 1lb Eps from a building reclaimers and had to glue parts together. This was a lot of effort but meant an almost free blank. This was useful for practicing.

The experience with epoxy this time was not as good as last time I used it. In general it was much, much slower this time. Here’s the 2 compared. In both cases the epoxy was weighed for mixing, hand mixed counting to 100.

Board #1:

  • lammed in Humidity 70% on most days of the lam. I think approx 25 degree heat in a workshop next to an air conditioned area
  • cheap Chinese epoxy used… Unknown brand
    -seemed to set hard after each day. No problems of this kind
    -painted over the top for uv (but it looked awful)

Board #2:

  • lammed in New Zealand

  • humidity… A dry day in the first lam, sunny. on the 2nd lam very wet and it was cold overnight.

  • epoxy from epoxyglue.com which seems to be the cheapest here

  • painted Eps blank, only 1lb glued together

  • took over a week to feel harder on the thumb test. Sped up slightly in a hotter car.

  • only 2x 4oz each side. Should have done 3x 2 Oz in the top… Quite a thick hotcoat. No pigment used

I thought the epoxy in board #2 was set as it was harder than the week wait before after keeping it in a car.
Then unfortunately one day I forgot to leave the windows open. When I picked the board up it was warm but I didn’t think really hot - nothing like as hot as a pickup truck bed. The board felt similar to how it was in the first week it was setting. I moved the board to a cool store room.

Now there’s an area on the tail, the deck which is quite spongey with the thumb test. I think the Eps underneath has melted…

In the one hand the actual lamination with epoxy went as well as poly. What suprised me this time has been the post curing. It’s been a pain in the ass.

I’m now wondering what to do for my next board. Epoxy feels a bit risky now after this experience . Likewise Eps wasn’t too bad to use but I’m not sure it was worth it.

The other thing is UV protection. I found the easiest thing is paint the blank and then go over with a non cut lap, non pigmented layer. Trying to do a pigment on a different board with poly ended up with streaks (weighed)…
So I think the easiest thing if wanting to play it safe would be:

-Paint a poly blank

-lam with UV poly, no merk and no pigment, 2x4oz top and bottom

-normal lam, no cut laps

If I’m spending money in a shaped blank though I would like to use Eps. In that situation I guess I could do:

  • paint the blank (test some on a test piece)… Using 2lb EPS now and a proper Eps blank

  • do a single 4oz lam with epoxy each side. No pigment, no cut lap. Fill coat it to be sure

  • then, when the epoxy is still green to help the bond… Do the 2nd 4oz lam with uv polyurethane resin

  • hotcoat with uv poly to finish

  • give it a week in a hot but not really hot place to cure

This way hopefully the poly would protect the shape and speed things up but I can still use Eps.
I know it would be better to get a fully epoxy method sorted but this way might be a safer step towards that…?

Sorry for a very long post. I have so much to ask. The thing with epoxy is you think you’ve nailed and then something like this happens.

Sorry,
That was just too long and rambling to read. That being said, don’t try to reinvent the wheel on your first tries.
Blank - 1.6 pound minimum unless you are covering with corecell or another rigid skin.

Don’t mix materials, unless you really know what you are doing. EPS is for epoxy period. Poly over epoxy bonds poorly and will peel and flake off. Automotive sprays can be used over epoxy for a gloss.

PU blank can go with epoxy or poly.

Don’t use paint until you know what you are doing. You are asking for a delamination, bleeding or other mess ups. Don’t get me wrong, it can be done, but not unless you know what you are doing. Read first, build last. When all else fails, follow the directions.

Yeah, Yeah, sounds good to me.

Crank.
One pound EPS foam. Crank.
No solution
Crank.

Buy right material, probably not the cheaper one but it’s only way to have the right ended product.

Sure enough, delammed yesterday around the tail pad area.

Wierd to me the way the epoxy is hard like a rock in the thinner nose yet soft like thin plastic in the tail top side and a bit soft at the rails near the nose. the bottom of the board is absolutely fine too.

… I’d expect the whole board to either be screwed or hard. I don’t get it

Local heating - direct sun may have caused delam in patches . I did the same on a new board. Left it in a the car on a rainy day and when I got back later that day it was blazing hot. Delam between the fins where most sun hit the board.
Used a Dremel to make three cuts in the glass meeting at center of delam, lifted, resin under and weighted back down.

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What is your plan…Sam I Am… Don’t Hop on Pop…

It sounds like you did a bad job of mixing. The hard places are where the resin and hardener were close to the correct ratio.

The soft spots are where the two parts didn’t blend together.

Ray, what are you planning with all those stringerless blanks?

And get a coat of Penofin on that fence quick!

Leaving any board in a hot car is never a good idea. Doesn’t matter what type of resin you use. Styro based blanks tend to out-gas more than a poly blank. Poly resin won’t make a damn bit of difference if the blank is heated enough.

Why no photos Crank… I mean Kookie? Crank …
You can go from zero to hero…What’s up big guy???
Here’s what I did…
Big fat save. Board is still ruined for life…just looks better now.


What the hell happened to that one, ray?
And, what is the construction (poly/poly, eps/epoxy, etc) ?

For hot car protection use a vent. Many sup builder say to let resin soak in foam, it’s help.

I think this is a good topic for a wide open discussion. I will stop picking on Kookie and focus on my own failures and what I’ve learned.
…“Can I protect Epoxy + EPS from a hot car with poly resin?”… NO.

Quality foam matters. Any EPS foam less than 1.5 pound is really a waste of time. Hot car matters too… Lots of things come into play here like tinted windows and how the car is parked in relation to the sun. Cracked open windows, windshield blocker…
Glass job is super important too.

I can’t quote Greg Loehr…I learned this about 12 years ago…
You can build a surf board with a light weight EPS foam. Glass it with 2 layers of 6 ounce cloth top and bottom. The end result will be a surfboard standard weight but super strong…
Ponder that for a while…my early EPS/Epoxy boards were very strong… got used and abused and spent long hours in hot cars…
Kinda tough to do long testing when you’re just a not so humble back yard guy.

But light weight is what we think we need…so we do a cheap ass light weight glass job over EPS foam. Next thing you know we have cracks and water damage and delams… And… there you go… Should think twice before following the surf mags…