carve of the week

gosh I wrote a big wow gee whiz response and it got eaten

by the loa in the machine.

Quote:

OK OK… The Aussies can let me up now.

If the truth be known, I scrolled down and matched the first image I saw to the description in the first post. It was only the first shot of the sequence. I didn’t even realize there were more. I took the one shot out of context. As a whole, the sequence is much more impressive.

I have Andrew Kidman’s video that show NP jr getting some amazing backside tubes. He’s a great surfer and I meant nothing against him personally.

This is the photo I saw when I scrolled down. (snagged without permission)

This is an old photo of Kirk ripping it backside at Malibu something like 35(?) years ago. (also snagged without permission)

so I wrot a reply

and I cant get it to go

was it too snotty?and the machine spirits edited it?

I’ re type the hard observations

in hope of sharing insight.

the obvious comparisson is lack of bank in the bottom turn.

incremental advancements in design have vectored off on the tangent of the flat board turn.

tri fins /thrusters turn flat to facilitate the up the wave face vector

the single fin banks more in it’s dynamic parameters.

the finless board has the potential to bank more.

the studies and practice of no fin mastery is in it’s contemporary infancy.

future finless riders will bank and show bottom on bottom turns

with more applied study.

the carve of the week?

hot diggity dog!

may those who are stoked by such

be well gratified.

cant wait till next week.

…ambrose…

salvaged and printed

the stream of concious reply and saved it as a document

pm me if you wanna copy

I can e-mail it to ya.

if I cant pm it to ya.

No need for a gee whiz who cares response, two letters should suffice : BK.

The obvious comparison is in speed , power and above all. projection and distance covered.

The fact that a bottom turn like that ended up in a carve like that speaks volumes.

A poet of zen stature could write a haiku about it.

John Mellor has done KP no favours posting the comparison shot…and that means no disrepect to KP.

What you have against fins is a mystery to me…ulua , ahi, mahi mahi.

Steve

the shared insight is always appreciated.

nothing against fins

they have just been done.

peggy lee’s song said it…

‘‘is that all there is?’’

…ambrose…

we can dream

until we lose

the ability to dream

then

we must rely

on printed volumes.

that metaphoricly speak to us.

here is the pic sequence (without permission).

What a beautiful line. John Harris 3d fin (not fcs) I believe.

I’ve been using Harrys 3D red tip on my Bonzer egg lately and It makes the board even better. I’d love to get my hands on a longer version

Me? i’m a Hullophile… and i love that pic of KP carve a BkSide BT… i use it all the time to illustrate to the unenlightened the difference between hull performance vs LB or FB performance alla time ( or even std SB performance ).

…but that carve by this NP at Snapper Rocks ( S-turn sequence ) … well it’s just insanely beautiful. ( standing ovation )

Hey Steve, good looking turn is’nt it. Neal told me about it, said it looks like there’s a wave coming of the fin , his words. I had’nt seen it till yesterday morning , I was with Neal snr at Milchy’s shed, we punched in Np and two shots of Snr came up first, classic. Those two guys are total gentlemen and both great surfers. Jnr is still rated the best tube rider in this area, world champs, the lot and on his backhand. The board is [abt] 6’0"-19 1/2" little stub thing, flattish rocker, pretty round, nose n tail. Neal is abt 85 kgs, pretty big guy. The fins are a 2/ 1 setup, the sides pretty normal thruster size, it’s the back one we designed together, about 6 1/2" high, fully winged, not much like the 3d. Neal and Wayne Dean, with Andrew Kidman recently went to New Zealand for two weeks and made a movie, they scored big time in the wave department and had the first fin, when they came back, they all had said, that’s it, good as it gets, their words, and you don’t get Deany saying too much. Deany was riding Neal’s board, 6’0" in 8’ waves and he’s abt 55 and not small. Neal’s great because unlike just good surfers, he’s designing as well and he surfs everyday. He comes in and tells me exactly what’s happening, with this little foil here, that slight change in angle, a dream to work with. Bruce Lee said to me a while ago, if you’re in the water with Neal, you’re in the best surf around here that day, he lives it , breathes it. Those shots are only the carve of the week, no claims being made, anybody got problems with such a pure thing, has got way to much time on their hands. One more thing, why has everything had to have been done before, I had a surf on a new 6’2" yesterday that I made to try out Neal’s fin and decided to put plugs for a 4 finner. I ended up trying it as a 5 finner, with an old multi fin wing in the fin box and the other 4 winged as well, bloody hell the look of it, 5 wings, someone seen that before? It went good, real fast, surf was good 3’ snapper through to Greenmount, had the back 3 fins level, will move the centre one further back next time, had a ball and I have a ball mucking around with this stuff. cheers H.

Thanks for all the info.

One of the things that caught my eye was his foot placement. Most pro-level thruster jockeys would do their

version of that top turn with the back foot right on the tailblock, where NP jr keeps the back foot up in a more

‘‘everyman’’ position. The result is more of a rail turn than a "tail turn’‘; a big ol’ carve off the rail rather than a

pivot off the tail. Of course the fin(s) and their position relate to this. Very interesting… I’ll be thinking about

this a while…

Of course the hull guys have been doing this off the botttom all along, but it’s nice to see that kind of commitment

carving off the top. A great use of all that velocity apparent in the bottom turn starting the sequence.

Mike

Cool Mike, thing about moving your back fin up is this, you do have to have a wider nose though, you are surfing further up the board, so you are using more of the board. I have had a similar thing going for about 5 years with a 51/2" wing, by just putting another plug in, the measurements go 2" further forward. Neal has taken it to another level, design and surfing, but he is really using all the board,[ he shaped em]. The same thing goes withe paddling [wider, flatter nose], you’re further up the board, gotta go pick up my daughter, time for another look, it’s that good, H.

Re: [oldy] carve of the weekPosted: Feb 13, 2008, 11:34 AM

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"No big deal… I’ve seen more impressive photos of Kirk Putnam going backside at Malibu 30 years ago that compare favorably. You should see him now. " ** …photos please , john !! neil purchase rips like FEW others …so much so , that even RABBIT [Bartholomew] calls him the best tuberider at kirra and the superbank …just watch ‘bunyip dreaming’ , and ‘the green iguana’ , and …‘glass love’ … and you will see what i’m talking about … cheers ! ben ** if leeDD was here , he’d be saying "no big deal , I did that in the 1960s " hahahahah wank wank

huie just surfed my 6 '10" on the super bank the other day with H’s new large wing fin ,got to say it changed the way the board turned alot , it seemed to hold the tail up when on rail giving me the oppurtunity to drive harderand apply more pressure to my back foot.even taking the drop felt different ,Ihave tried the same board with a lot of different fins and I have to say that I liked H’s fin the best so far .as for Neils carve I think most of us would love to lay tracks like that.

Is that a “full” lateral wing at the tip? What’s the wingspan? Five wings … as in a flock of fins? Are these in full production?

It’s OK. Ike and I settled via PM. Thank you Silly for pointing out my retraction.

Now I’m gonna have to deal with Kirk…

“Bar me you seppo wanker…” Classic!

That’s the name of my new band; “Seppo Wanker!”

gotta say kp has it laid out on the rail-fin about to bust loose-true hull surfing off the bottom.a bit more extreme than np’s bottom turn. however, that backside s-turn carve by np is one of the most wicked i have ever seen-truly awesome!