Anyone out there ride these things? looks pretty darn cool carving more like a surfboard than a skateboard. check out the video section, #3 there is a guy riding a surfboard with these trucks…wow…
http://www.carverskateboards.com/video/out4hi.htm http://www.carverskateboards.com/video/out3hi.htm
Hey Ben - how about this one? http://www.dirtsurfer.com/ Supposed to be pretty “surfy” too…
Normal longboard skateboard trucks turn based on lean. Lean a little, turn a little. Lean a lot, turn a lot.
Rail-finned surfboards are a little different, because the focus of turning moves from rail to rail. So, you do not turn much until you get your weight over the rail fin. The board is stiff for small leans.
The rotating fin is more like a longboard skateboard in this respect, because the focus point for turning is the same for turns in both directions - in the middle of the board. This means you don’t really need to throw your weight from side to side nearly as much - much less butt wiggling on the shortboard.
There are still the same physical limitations on the interaction between the rail and the central fin.
Interesting truck - the carver. My sk8 is a shortboard with indy 156s and krypto 76 mm reds. Looks like the carver is a tweaked out normal truck design. There are several trucks that use really different mechs, like exkate.
Aloha , Ck out www.edgefins.kauaistyle.com
Some day adjustable fins will be mainstream and surfboards will have personality!
Have a great surf ! Clyde Rodgers
Check out freebord.com for another tweaky but supersweet truck idea. And look at the Videos!!! I tried one of these with one of the team riders up here in Canada, and it is a sweet ride. Can totally do hairpin corners that you haven’t a hope on with a longskate. I followed dave down a hill and he was totally in control and doing 60 kmh - around tight corners. I’m looking at getting one of these. Currently I press my own longskates, and I have Randal 180’s for truck with "Abec 11 Gumballs) for wheels…
I ride Hyperedge Tacos(see photo archive/skateboards).Herb
Trucks and vheels vary.
Anyone out there ride these things? looks pretty darn cool carving more like a surfboard than a skateboard. check out the video section, #3 there is a guy riding a surfboard with these trucks…wow…
http://www.carverskateboards.com/video/out4hi.htm http://www.carverskateboards.com/video/out3hi.htm
dude… that is so my idea… about a month ago I made a kick ass street surfer, and then like after I was done testing it and thinking about how cool it was, I was like… in a month someone is going to come out with something like this… and their going to get like… famous.
well I was right wasn’t I?
I didn’t make swivel trucks though, I just moved my front trucks back far enough so they were touching my back trucks (for tighter turning radius) got a three inch swivel grocery-cart type wheel and put that on where the front trucks go. I used smaller wheels for the front trucks so they don’t actually touch the ground until you carve, and the back wheels are harder, more plasticy and the front are more rubberey. This makes it posible to slide out, and have a piviot point (like surfing). the freebord is more of a snowboard type imitation, and the videos above are a more stable, but probally more stiff verson of my idea. With my board, its posible to drive off teh back foot, whip it around, and do all sorts of stuff. It’s still even light enough to ollie and get bench slides and stuff. I use it in a gutter, and it so sweet. Once I switched back to a normal skateboard for a while it felt like I was riding a train, and fixed to go in one direction because the other was so loose. I even fell a few times trying to drive off my back foot, but you can’t do that on a skateboard. I should post pictures soon…
Deathfrog…right on man… so knowone had tried these trucks then…I guess I will have to hit the skate shops to see if anyone has a demo…
Hey Shipman - try http://www.ncdsa.com/ . I remember a bunch of stuff about the carver trucks on that site. It’s sort of like Swaylocks for skateboarders…
Waxfoot, cool thank…I found a dealer here in San Diego
try waht I said, it works so well.
Hey Mr “group of 12? 3? 1?” Spitzer I’ve seen you boards in here back about a year back when I was just starting to press my own. Do you use a mold on those? And what do you use to make them anyways. I’ve lately been making mine out of 6 plies of birch(for the tight, stiff grain to keep the board from being too sloppy) sandwiched around 6 plies of mahogany(for the longer, more stringy grain to give strength longitudinally). Usually I use one layer of 4 oz. glass in the middle, but on my last one I used left over carbon fibre scraps from the hollow board and got 3 layers. Way stiffer than the others, but I miss the ‘sag’. But she is still flexy enough to cusion the ride. Totally smooth like riding in a cadillac compared to bumping around on a reg. deck like in a geo metro or something. Anyways Herb, I got a few questions here… If your work with “Skaterbuilt” doesn’t prevent you from revealing these secrets.
What do you form them with? Molds, clamps?
What do you build them from?
Why do you use these materials?
What sort of flex is in the finished board?
How long does it take per board?
Remember… its not just about materials and construction. Your wheelbase has a significant effect on your boards flex pattern, too.
In my experience, the most satisfying equipment has always been influenced by some very complex personal preferences involving decks, trucks, wheels. Regardless of end use, explore and play with the variables.
Hey Mr “group of 12? 3? 1?” Spitzer I’ve seen you boards in here back about a year back when I was just starting to press my own. Do you use a mold on those? And what do you use to make them anyways. I’ve lately been making mine out of 6 plies of birch(for the tight, stiff grain to keep the board from being too sloppy) sandwiched around 6 plies of mahogany(for the longer, more stringy grain to give strength longitudinally). Usually I use one layer of 4 oz. glass in the middle, but on my last one I used left over carbon fibre scraps from the hollow board and got 3 layers. Way stiffer than the others, but I miss the ‘sag’. But she is still flexy enough to cusion the ride. Totally smooth like riding in a cadillac compared to bumping around on a reg. deck like in a geo metro or something. Anyways Herb, I got a few questions here… If your work with “Skaterbuilt” doesn’t prevent you from revealing these secrets.
What do you form them with? Molds, clamps?
What do you build them from?
Why do you use these materials?
What sort of flex is in the finished board?
How long does it take per board?
Sorry Red,
I had a great post for you that didn't transfere.....sucks and my wife has been giving me the evil eye for over an hour now.............I'll repost later today..
…too much secondhand smoke ,huh…I guess?Herb
No problems man… I hate it when that happens. But that’s life. Am looking forward to it though. I’ve got to post some longskate pics and press pics one of these days anyways…
The dirtsurfer is a wicked toy, takes a bit of getting used to, especially getting it going, given the 2 wheels, but if you find a hill you can have a heap of fun carving. There is a warning on the bottom stating that you will get hurt at some point…I pointed this out to a mate, 2 minutes before he broke his foot riding it…dont ask me how he managed it.
Okay Red,
Here goes another round!..or you asked …so without further adue…the answers…
…1)I use a ONE-OF-A-KIND custom 7piece double handcrank press w/ another 7 pieces for wedges and stopbars.This PRESS requires no power or molds,it can however except molds up to 44" in length.You can literally press decks in the Sahara.I can press up to 4 decks at a time w/o much problems,and this press can be broken down by hand and will store in a space smaller than a Yugo’s trunk.This press is a joint collabortion between a wiz-machinist buddy of mine,“Eddy” and myself.It’s definiately patent-able,but it costs too much to f**k with.Only a handful of people have seen it,less than that have seen it in action…I’ll probably keep it that way for awhile…You know it can be done now,so half the work is done.
…2)The press is all steel,but wt.s less than 50lbs.total.There are some minor aluminium parts as well.
…3)I use whatever I can get my mits on .I store loads of veneers up to 1/4" to single layer skins,and different Formicas.The woods vary from ash,oak,maple,walnut,poplar,birch,etc.
…Flex is relative to the material and construction.My double Formica skinned Tacos have little or no flex w/o killing the sensitivity like a heavier solid woodie or flat laminated jobs would.I have had guys over 350lbs.(sluggo,fat freddy) ride my decks only to break ti-bolts, baseplates or crack wheel hubs,but the Taco decks stayed the test,w/o much flex at a near 1/4 ton on it’s back…As I said ,“Materials and construction”.
…4) Not long…,most of the time is waiting for the glue to cure.
…I get all my materials,epoxy,wood,formica,…free…it’s generally all recycled from industries around here that throw away some great stuff.Once in awhile I do go buy some prem stuff,but right now I have tons of material to chew,some good quality stuff as well.
…Using the double formica is tricky.It wants to bow and shift horribly,but on the up side I save alot of post-press clean-up time,and $$$$,by deleting a bunch of sanding,and sealing.Cutting the holes in a double is a trick that I cooked up and is as clean, if not cleaner than the industries first quality standards.
…If you lived by me I could show you a straight hill w/ a good speed grade,triple wide ,a mile long ,no cross streets,a good runoff bottom w/ a cult-a-sak end…oh yeah did I mention the curbs are rolled concrete banks w/o the trench,about a foot tall…THINK ABOUT IT!..This is in my backyard ! Yeah ,I 'm Spoiled,you bet!..Almost Live, from Anaheim Hills.Ca…Alohas,Herb