Clark foam is over!!

I’m new to the forum, new to shaping. I found something really interesting on the surfermag forum that I thought you guys might want to comment on. Can anyone verify the validity of these claims? Also, excuse me if this has already been posted…


Rusty Preisendorfer, Matt Biolas, and Al Merrick must be, like, just about the luckiest dudes in the world. Seriously, those guys must be walking around with golden horseshoes up their asses or something.

I mean, Rusty couldn’t have picked a better possible time to just happen to have a bunch of new signature Surftech models coming out. And Biolas couldn’t have picked a better possible time to just happen to give up his years’ long, very vocal protestations against overseas manufacturers and start pumping out his own brand of made-in-asia boards. It’s a good thing for Matt that Corey Lopez just happened to need more money! And Al couldn’t have picked a better time to have just happened to shift a good deal of his poly manufacturing business overseas. And if that much-rumored sale of CI to Burton is true, boy would that be lucky!

Really, how much of a stroke of divine providence must it be that Clark Foam’s three biggest customers just happened to secure sources of overseas production mere weeks before the single domestic source of a crucial component of their product closed its doors forever?

I mean, it must just be plain dumb luck, right? Because if Clark Foam’s biggest customers had insider knowledge about its impending closure that the rest of the world wasn’t privy to that would be a little odd. It would certainly be pretty immoral, and it would probably be pretty illegal, too. And we all know that it couldn’t possibly be true.

That’s why it would come off as fairly cynical and suspicious if a bunch of concerned surfers and surfboard industry players who were left in the lurch by Clark’s closure started wondering if something fishy was up. It would be even more cynical if they all wrote or called the California Attorney General’s office and requested that they investigate the sudden closure of Clark Foam and the series of happy (for a select few) coincidences that preceded it.

That’s why I’ll probably be the only person that does so.

Attorney General’s Office

California Department of Justice

Attn: Public Inquiry Unit

P.O. Box 944255

Sacramento, CA 94244-2550

1-800-952-5225

(Toll-free in CA) or

(916) 322-3360

Jesus I cant read the thread as fast as new posts get added…

Where do the laws of price gouging and supply and demand cross? How high can they fork up these board prices… I luckily have two clark blanks left and just glassed two new boards for myself so doesnt affect me much… no more resin swirls though :(. Guess it’ll be time to switch to this EPS shit after I glass these last two precious blanks of mine

someone said that the other foam company combine produce 40 000 blansk…

funny,

brazil produce more than 900/day

benpat proce over 100000/year

and allthe other one, home blown alone produce over 40000

there is foam in portugal as well

france

south africa

vietnam

poland

australia

england

spain

so dont you think that australia produce overr 40000/year… as if.

just get the damn phone book.

so you think that if every one call for eps blank it wont be a shortage???

god just import, america is not the only country in the world…

“Because if Clark Foam’s biggest customers had insider knowledge about its impending closure that the rest of the world wasn’t privy to that would be a little odd. It would certainly be pretty immoral, and it would probably be pretty illegal, too.”

You may be mistaking this situation for a SEC issue like Martha Stewart’s alleged insider trading of shares she had in a publicly owned company. Mr. Clark as owner of a private company, as far as I know, had no obligation to warn anybody. If, as a courtesy, he felt like telling his biggest customers to get ready, so be it.

In any case, charges of illegal conduct by Mr. Clark (or anybody else) should be substantiated before posting on a public forum. Before anybody jumps in and wastes the Attorney General’s time, check it out and consider the source.

well the classic log is now dead. good thing i have 9 9 h blank in my garage. i have offered for bing to shape me a nuuhiwa with it i would give them the blank and have him shape it for me.

you will have to admit, something is definitely “fishy”…grubby blames, epa, local fire authority, and other entities for essentially shutting his operation down and at the same time, the aforementioned come out in the fishwrap saying that clark foam was just notified of violations and not given any ultimatum. something gives, what, i do not know nor pretend to. i do feel real bad for the small guys getting jacked, as i am a small business owner myself.

Thank you for pointing that out so well! This is not a stoppage, it is a turn in the road, you always have to slow down for the curves… and by the way aren’t epoxy -styrofoam boards made out of poly-STYRENE… STYRENE?..get it … nasty stuff… danny

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Wednesday, December 7, 2005

WIPEOUT ON SURF-PIPELINE

Clark Foam in Laguna Niguel, the biggest maker of foam blanks for surfboards, has closed, affecting all who make, sell and buy boards.

By SHAWN PRICE and NANCY LUNA The Orange County Register

END OF THE LINE: Tim Stamps, a shaper at Harbour Surfboards in Seal Beach, shapes a Clark Foam blank into a surfboard Tuesday.

At a glance: Clark Foam

Location: Laguna Niguel

What it does: In 1961, Gordon “Grubby” Clark launched Clark Foam. The chemist-engineer soon became an industry icon after pioneering the mass production of foam blanks, or the inner core of surfboards. Clark is the leading supplier of foam blanks in the world.

What happened: On Monday, Clark notified customers he was ceasing operations, citing a crackdown by local, federal and state authorities over the plant’s use of TDI, a toxic chemical. However, regulatory agencies including the Environmental Protection Agency said Tuesday that Clark’s plant is safe and in full compliance with state and federal codes, including how it stores TDI.

Reaction: Clark Foam notified local employment officials that the plant is permanently closing, affecting 120 employees.

“It’s as if Quiksilver woke up, and someone said, ‘Sorry, we have no cotton to supply you,’” said Rich Harbour, owner of Harbour Surfboards in Seal Beach, which has used Clark’s foam core to make boards since the 1970s.

Clark Foam , the local company that shaped the modern surfboard industry with its near-monopoly on lightweight cores, unexpectedly shut down late Monday after more than 40 years of business.

News of the Laguna Niguel company’s closure spread quickly after surfing pioneer and Clark founder Gordon “Grubby” Clark notified dozens of customers around the world Monday by fax that Clark Foam “is ceasing production and sales of surfboard blanks.”

“It’s as if Quiksilver woke up, and someone said, ‘Sorry, we have no cotton to supply you,’” said Rich Harbour, owner of Harbour Surfboards in Seal Beach, which has used Clark blanks to shape its boards since the early 1970s.

Clark Foam’s closure will crimp supply and affect everyone who makes, sells and buys surfboards.

The news rippled through the surf world, with visitors to Web sites wondering if the closure meant the end of the custom surfboard. It left local businesses reeling.

Tuesday, the dwindling number of boards with Clark blanks prompted some shops around the county to raise the price of a new board $100 to $200.

Clark Foam supplies an estimated 90 percent of the world’s surfboard blanks. Some smaller board makers already started sending workers home Tuesday because they didn’t have enough cores to keep going.

“This is going to put so many people out of business,” said Bill Stewart of Stewart Surfboards in San Clemente. “We’ll be OK, but the small places are done. It’s like telling the auto industry they can’t get any plastic or metal.”

Clark, 74, didn’t return calls Monday and Tuesday to comment on the closure. In his seven-page statement to customers, he said a crackdown by local, state and federal authorities over his use of certain chemicals forced him to close his 120-employee operation.

But several government agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency, said Tuesday that Clark Foam was in compliance with local, state and federal codes related to its use of hazardous materials and that they were not responsible for his closure.

“There’s a whole bunch of surfers out there complaining we shut them down,” said EPA spokesman Mark Merchant. “We didn’t shut him down.”

Merchant said his agency cited Clark Foam in 2003 for minor infractions, including failing to have a proper emergency response plan in place in the event of a chemical spill. The federal agency gave Clark Foam until May 2004 to comply, which it did.

“We haven’t heard from him since,” Merchant said.

Whatever the reason, the closure left local surfboard makers and sellers wondering what exactly happened with Clark Foam, which gave no hint that it was closing.

“It’s as much as we know,” factory manager Matt Stevens said of the fax that went out Monday afternoon. “We’re just wrapping things up. It’s a sad day.”

Meanwhile, surfboard shapers and shops are fearing the worst.

Mark Allen, who readies blanks to be cut for Pro Cam Inc. Surfboard Preshaping in Huntington Beach, was one of the first to lose his job in response to the Clark closing. The company receives shipments from Clark Foam about twice a week.

Allen was laid off along with his six co-workers when they were caught without any spare blanks.

“If we don’t have any surfboard blanks, we don’t have a business,” Allen said. “I don’t think anybody thought this was going to happen. Small places are pretty worried.”

In the early 1950s, Clark teamed with Hobie Alter to pioneer the first foam and fiberglass surfboard. Clark later bought out Alter and formed Clark Foam, which grew to become the premier supplier of foam cores.

As a result of the company’s dominance, surfboard makers and shapers have few places to turn for replacements.

Three-time world champion longboarder Colin McPhillips of San Clemente says he’ll be careful with the boards he has now.

“If there’s no blanks, there’s no boards. This is major,” said McPhillips, who also has a personal stake in board sales: His name is on three Stewart longboards. “If my three models of boards don’t get made, they don’t get sold. That’s money out of my pocket.”

In his fax, Clark alleged a long-standing battle with the Orange County Fire Authority over his use of the toxic chemical toluene di-isocynate in making the polyurethane foam blanks that serve as the lightweight core of a standard surfboard.

TDI is listed as a cancer-causing toxic air contaminant in the state of California, according to state regulatory officials.

Clark wrote that state and county regulators had “made it very clear they no longer want manufacturers like Clark Foam in their area.”

However, Capt. Stephen Miller, a spokesman for the Orange County Fire Authority, which tracks hazardous chemicals, said Tuesday that Clark has been in compliance with all the agency’s fire codes and that he has no idea why Clark chose to shut down.

“This sounds like this is a business decision,” Miller said.

South Coast Air Quality Management District spokesman Sam Atwood said that after an inspection of the plant earlier this year, the regulatory agency questioned the accuracy of Clark’s emissions report.

“We believe it had underreported its toxic emissions,” Atwood said. Atwood said inspectors were specifically looking at smog and TDI emissions. It was unclear late Tuesday if Clark had re-reported its emissions to the AQMD, Atwood said.

However, Atwood said Clark Foam has never been in violation of AQMD’s emission requirements. The agency, which tracks air-quality standards, said it’s also never logged any public complaint about Clark.

Miller said the fire authority had not fined Clark and was not “aware of any action taken by any other agency” that would force the facility to shut down.

At the end of his memo, Clark wrote: “The only apology I will make to customers and employees is that I should have seen this coming many years sooner and closed years ago in a slower, more predictable manner. I waited far too long, being optimistic rather than realistic. I also failed to do my homework.”

Staff writer Mary Ann Milbourn contributed to this report. CONTACT: (714) 796-2329 or

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You may be mistaking this situation for a SEC issue like Martha Stewart’s alleged insider trading of shares she had in a publicly owned company. Mr. Clark as owner of a private company, as far as I know, had no obligation to warn anybody. If, as a courtesy, he felt like telling his biggest customers to get ready, so be it.

In any case, charges of illegal conduct by Mr. Clark (or anybody else) should be substantiated before posting on a public forum. Before anybody jumps in and wastes the Attorney General’s time, check it out and consider the source.

I was actually more interested in the part about all these major shapers and their amazing timing. I was curious as to whether they might actually have been given a heads-up. I guess I should have been a little more clear about that…

You are absolutely correct in that because Clark Foam is a private company, Mr. Clark can do whatever he wants. As far as I can tell, giving everyone a BS story about the EPA and fire department being up his ass while quietly giving his major customers a months in advance warning about his impending closure would do more to call into question his legacy than legality. I guess only time will tell. If he isn’t fined or thrown in jail, it will certainly make me wonder…

As long as everyone wants to make wild speculations, one might as well also consider the possibility that Rusty and CI moving some production to overseas, and therefore ordering fewer blanks from Clark was a factor in Clarks decision. In other words, instead of Clark tipping them off to the closure, they made their choice first, and the reduction of their foam order from Clark became just another negative in a long list against continuing business.

I’m probably repeating old info but, Walker Foam is still open and is reamping up production. It looks like things will be tight for a while. They even said they will still sell to smaller production people, when things stabilize. Give them a call if you want more info. They are in Wilmington, CA.

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I’m probably repeating old info but, Walker Foam is still open and is reamping up production. It looks like things will be tight for a while. They even said they will still sell to smaller production people, when things stabilize. Give them a call if you want more info. They are in Wilmington, CA.

Walker isnt taking any new customers at the time. I think there are even lists, they have a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY Limited capacity there. Maybe 40 blanks a day.

Nothing will really happen with walker until thier Chinese manufacturing gets going and thats a few months away at least… Aussie foam will be here before Walker can make any sort of substantial impact on anything.

Honestly, I’ve been too busy building boards to be following this issue. But Grain Surfboards did recieve a letter from a friend that I think sheds some insightful thoughts on the story.

I’m in position to defend or deny this angle so please don’t expect me to. I offer it only to enhance the ongoing industry discussion…

Our friend Vince’s letter

“Surfing never needed foam” - - Vince LaVecchia

Howzit EC_Creation, Well there is some truth in what you say but I know for a fact that today there was a line of people at Walkers front door trying to buy blanks and a good friend of mine who has been a shop owner and board builder for over 40 years was able to purchase 75 blanks from them after his crew was let in the back door. Harold is in the hospital at this time so that may add some confusion. Also my friend was told first hand that there are 2 containers of Walker blanks on the high seas as I write this reply. Now if the EPA didn’t shut Clark down as they say then he should at least let somebody have the chance to buy his factory, especially since I got an e-mail today from someone who is interested in buying the company. Please don’t ask me to reveal my friends name because I won’t in order to keep people from bothering him while he sorts out the situation at his factory. As he keeps me informed I will pass on any information. Aloha,Kokua

I shaped my first board from a block of polyurethane foam. I didn’t even know Clark or molded blanks existed. Just like you can buy a block or EPS foam, you can buy a block of polyurethane foam.

Polyurethane foam has without a doubt a different feel than EPS foam. I’m not saying it’s better or worse, just different. Those that have a preference for polyurethane foam should be respected for what they like. I’m just talking about feel here, not durability, etc. Can you duplicate the same feeling with EPS? I say not without using a sandwich.

WOW, all of this is alot to take in, but after reading over all of these forums for a couple of hours it feels to me that something is difiantly fishy here.

1st: Exactly, why is Walker Foam still open if its in the same county and makes the same poly blanks as Clark did, if the EPA is so strict why haven't they targeted them yet? 

2nd: I have not seen anyone on any of the forums on here, Surfermag, and Surfingmag mention anything about Clark Foams Headquarters in FL, Europe, and Austrilia. Does anyone know if any of these other headquters are still producing blanks? Or were these just his distributer centers?  Did Clark only shut down his CA factory? I know if you type in Clark Foam on Google the only website for them that comes up is their European website, so whats the deal with this, are these Clark Foam Factories still open & running or did he shut all of them down? 

3rd: The Rusty, CI, and Lost thing sounds interesting to me. Do you think that Clark & those guys are in this thing together to take over the market even more & to improve their profits even more? Could the 4 of them have made a huge deal with a Chinese or Asian company making their boards under their labels which they knew they would have no problem selling if Clark closed.  So they got together with Clark and said if you close up & stop making blanks we will get this Asian company to make our boards for half the price so we can make double the profits that we have been making and by doing this it would shut down 80% of the surfboard companies around now and we will be the only ones still around making double our profits than we did before and Clark would be sitting there collecting 25% of the profits for his act in the whole situation. Do you think something like this might have happened?

its wednesday

nope thursday[i just looked at the clock]

I printed up the clark letter off urfermag.com and studied it all day.

I am a slow reader.

my wife reads fast

we discussed it over dinner

after we returned home I found the fax copy that had been mailed to me from the honolulu clark foam outlet,

The man is Gordon Clark.

The short board era is as foolish a moniker as any other “marketing spin doctor” term ever inflicted on us kids of the 20th century

Eras ,Epochs and other geologic timeline terminology are not truly applicable to our short lives and experiences.

The benchmarks in time are determied by much greater events.

The Gift of Gordon Clark’s intelect and attention to detail has in turn been given onto us ,a bunch of kids who were captivated by the surfing experience.

The love of the ocean’s waves are a common bond betwixt and between us allincluding all these elder statesmen like Mr. Clark.

I’m an aging organism.I plan to get older.

Just in case I do, like the rest of my life,I have fixed my gaze on respectable

men older than myself to help me minimalize mistakes and failures.

Gordon Clark is such a man.

The news letter ,have you had the oppertunity to read it?,Iluminates

the decision to terminate Clark foam.

The powers that be have structured ,knowingly or not, the system to implode .

the regulations and coincidental threats of punishments,including fines and threats of jail time have led this man of inspired dedicatiion to bail.

the pursuit of fun,yes fun has slowly morphed into illuding the litigious dragon born of the loins of beaurocracy 

The NOBLE cause taken on to clean the environment set in motion by,yes ,the clean water activists has made Clarks choice to deconstruct the highest wisdom.

I continue to be impressed by the depth of wisdom displayed by this choice.

Nobody

NOBODY

has invested more money and time in me having fun

Than this Guy GORDON CLARK.

the sniping comments I’ve heard directed towards him in years past and present fall on deaf ears.

When I grow up,day after tomorrow,I hope my decisions are 1/2 as wise as

this Gordon guy.

Time lines

the turning point in our little lives that the closing of the clark facility marks

is A.C.after Clark,kinda sounds like after dark,

before he took the reins in the foam production

there were many un implemented processes.

many were clark inovations.

The information conduit that was clark foam is likely to be missed more than anything.The periodic newsletters led me to believe I knew more after I read the stuff I wanted to know.

I’m not worried,the sun will come up tomorrow.

There will be another scape goat for our ills and tribulations.

All solutons will be flawed.

Redwood is toxic.

so are unkind words and thoughts.

the contribution Gordon Clark has made to our lives is undeniable.

Say what you may of an unkind attitude

the fact remains december 5 / 2005 is a day that will also go down in infamy.

december 7 , 397 was the day a man was sainted by the catholic church

1997 they celebrated the 1600th aniversary

december 7 1941 over shadowed this celebration of the patron saint of beekeepers and song writers.

I’m told they open the opera season in milan on this day every year .

The Date December 5 will surely mean as much to many.

tthanks is not ever going to be enough.

…ambrose…

may we be as blessed and kept from harm

for our lifetimes and beyond

who said wood aint good

termites like it.

plant a tree to build a board from

collect beetles to make shellac

dont be a whiner or you’ll be sent to carolina

where the chain gangs still have plenty to do

Interesting turn of events in the Clark saga - both the local fire dept and state EPA claim that they had zero part in the facility shutdown…

Of course its well documented and no secret the history of environmental issues that Clark (or any chemical manufacturer, for that matter) has struggled with in the past and continues to face today at an even accelerated pace - VOC in air and sewer, etc. Compliance is extremely expensive from a capital equipment investment standpoint as well as engineering and maintenance expenses. No where is this more prevalent than in California. Vermont and NY are now adopting similar enviromental laws and regulations, too - especially as they relate to auto emmissions.

BUT… it begs the question about the other motives with the shutdown beyond environmental issues. I assume its a privately held business with employment at will (too bad for the 120 or so employees) - any one know if the employees got a 60 day warning - How about severence - Cobra- pension? Its a family-held business so G. Clark can and did choose to do what he wishes.

I agree that the 2.3 acre site in a prime location in OC must be worth millions (in cash) today - before the CA real estate froth starts declining (if only temporarily) - big incentive there.

Poor business practice/judgement for 80-90% of the US surfboard mfging industry to be solely dependent on a single source of of their primary raw materials (foam). Especially given the family-owned status and aging facility - NOT A SMART MOVE, FOLKS.

Funny thing - in years to come a Classic weight 10’1" Clark blank with fancy stringers may be highly sought after with ridiculous prices paid - similar to NOS (new old stock) vacuum tubes for high end stereos or original parts for classic cars or Italian bikes from the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s. Start searching the old shops and warehouses and garage rafters now all you e-bayers…

Found this

But California-based Walker Foam may offer some relief if everything goes according to its plan. The company plans to immediately double its current production output of 400 blanks per week from its Wilmington facility. A second 32,000-square-foot warehouse in China is being brought online, said manager Gary Linden.

“We have a facility in China we started three months ago before all of this happened,” Linden said. “We poured our first blanks two weeks ago, and within two months, we should be able to supply the U.S. and worldwide markets with whatever they need.”

Wow!! what a week im burnt!! . Well I heard just about every rumor possible.If theres any Liddle surfboard guys out there Ive got 6 new ones at my shop, just PM me.I for one, am looking foward to see whats next.Also I hope all the people Ive known in this indusrty for the past 40yrs can hang in there.