COBRA INTERNATIONAL SHUTS DOWN!!!!!

sorry I forgot

African Americans

Native Americans

Asian Americans

Mexican Americans

American Samoans

Anyone locked up would be considered of course as long as it is part of North America or a US territory. I just don’t like the Asia built crap and believe the world is not flat.

I really love hearing the excuse by some that “importing is the only way we can make money on surfboards” blah blah blah.

No wonder the peoples republic is buying our banks and mortgages…

oh yeah that goes for thailand, taiwan and the czech republic as well…

…well, I have many things to say

but no time

in the meantime, say that Im with all that what you guys saying

Surfding, Deadshaper, Everysurfer, Meanshapes, Mike Daniels, Moonemick

may be some day will should get some chat face to face

and drink some sodas and/or beers…

PS: I remember a cartoon from those old merry melodies (like Bugs Bunny, etc) where there was a land (almost all USA) that belong to an Indian (I dont remember the name but something like Joe…) then a tiny land (like N Y to N Hampshire) that was USA

happens everything, lot of comedy and in the end the Indian falls down from a cliff or mountain and when hits the floor “sucks” all the map; stretching that tiny land and in that way all was converted in USA

America was named after Amerigo Vespucci, who was an Italian map-maker. Why would anyone want to be named after him, he didn’t even discover anything? I think we just use it because its shorter and easier than saying United-Statesians…

I will gladly buy a beer for any of you guys should we ever bump into each other… Reverb in particular. I couldn’t even BEGIN to follow conversations like this in another language, so here’s to you!!

…hello KM,

talking about the name America

I want to clear up a confusion

was named by a German cartographer in honor to di Vespucci (who was a sailer) to name the SPANISH possessions in all the continent (included the Antillas–west Indias–)

converted to Latin and female (like the other continents)

-The enormous XX cent influence of the United States of America in Europe and the world has contributed to virtually monopolize this word

Following that USA land had formed the basis of British America, the lack of a proper name generated using the name “America” to refer to this country

however, the territories of Hispanic America, by contrast, had well-defined names that were “incorporated” with a more logical approach

OK! well I obviously shouldn’t go reciting what I recall of 4th grade history… I guess my point was it’s only a name and why fight over it…we’re all Earthlings. but thanks Reverb!

Amerigo…forgot that…we get mixed up and fed redundant crap in elementary and secondary school with the Christopher Columbus story…but what about Leif Ericson???

There was a comment about how the U.S. is “awash in money” for schools. I wrote a reply to that but my computer kicked the whole thing out right on the last sentence…conspiracy?

The gist of what I was going to say was that we have an opportunity in this current climate to redirect some of our thinking on what kids need during the formative years.

To quote a “Ten Year’s After” song title…I’d love to change the world…but in my case I would know what to do… I’d change the curriculum to incorporate kids learning finance from an early age. This would be part of their math program, and hey would learn the need to budget, how compounding interest works wonders i savings accounts, how credit card debt compounds negatively and is fraught with danger…how to balance a check book.

There used to be ‘trade schools’ yeah…back when we acutally produced things. Now the closest thing to schools like this is “ITT Tech” that you always see advertised on television.

There is no reason why we cannot reclaim some of our maufacturing prowess…Obama wants to create millions of jobs and jumpstart the economy by investing in America…I can’t think of a better investment to make.

While we thoroughly hijack this thread,

Hey reverb, wanna read a great book? I think you’d like "1491’', by Charles C. Mann. As the name would imply, it’s a portrait

of the Americas (note the S) before the invasion from Europe. There was a lot going on here that is only now being discovered.

Oh shhhhi…what was this thread? Oh yeah COBRA SHUTS DOWN.

Maybe they were just following suit with Chrysler, who will be shut down for one month to save money.

I was checking out a SurfTech that I was repairing last week…color coat chipping off. Not real impressed even though it was a Brewer longboard…had to admit it, but the board seemed dead. The construction makes the things so damn stiff I dn’t see how anyone would get off on riding them.

I bet an Alaya…Alaia…whatever…probably flexes more than the ST’s.

After 15 years or more of ST production, I think the headline of this thread is kinda the only sensational hook to draw people in. Now I find myself pontificating about American history…OY!

Maybe we can ‘sexy it up’ with false and sensational rumor and innuendo:

Something like…BULLETIN! Bangkok, Thailand

Workers showed up ready for work at the Cobra International factory located just outside Bangkok to find the doors had been closed and sealed with brightly colored tape from a local health organization. Rumor had it that a rare virus had been contacted by one worker over a three day period, and after being hospitalized, the illness was traced back to the Cobra facility. Government officials took immediate action by sealing off the factory similar to how CSI Las Vegas isolates a crime scene.

No other information was available from authorities at press time, however, a statement from a high up official, that upon demanding anonymity, disclosed that there were some questions being raised as to whether the entire existing finished stock of products and raw materials would be destroyed or decontaminated.

So about that beer…?

I’d like to see history taught with an emphasis on the psychology of why men do the

things that we do. Why did the early French revolutions replaced one monarch with

another? Because the new monarch was their bastard, not the other guy’s. Or as

the Who said, Here comes the new boss, same as the old boss.

Life is all about power and the ability to enslave another for your profit. ( I’m working

my best to send this back to the Cobra thread concept.) No matter what anyone

thinks about Surftech and the destruction of the surf industry, given the opportunity,

the loudest voice for Surftech’s removal is probably the guy that has dreams of being

its replacement.

I’ve found that life is governed by the 10% 80% 10% rule. 10% of all people will

try to help their fellow man. 80% just look out for themselves and are pretty

clueless to the plight of those around them. And the last 10% are bastards who

will look for any opportunity for advantage - fair or not.

If you doubt this, try driving the freeways around L.A. sometime around rush hour.

10% of your fellow drivers look out for others, and will make room for another

with their turn signal on. 80% drive around with their heads up their a… and survive

on the mercy of others. The last 10% will race ahead in traffic, cut the other guy off,

slam on his brakes, cause an accident, just to be in front of the other.

In surfing, 10% go out of their way to do others right. 80% move along pretty

cluelessly, if the board comes out on time, and shaped right for a good price

they’re happy, and if not another bong hit will ease their conscience. And the last

10% set up a factory in some third world country, make a semi-crap product, run

others out of business, and exploit a desperate working class living on rice and fish

in a grass shack, all the while living beyond their dreams and not giving a second thought

to their worker who they just ran back into poverty, for a few pennies more profit.

Just more wild ramblings. It’s late on a Saturday night, and no one else has posted

anything that caught my interest.

Lets see what tomorrow brings.

…MD

ok, thanks

next month or so I ll try to find it

-hey DS, Im reading that last comment thinking in those 50 s radio voices…

1491 is not so much the story of a year, as of what that year stands for: the long-debated (and often-dismissed) question of what human civilization in the Americas was like before the Europeans crashed the party. The history books most Americans were (and still are) raised on describe the continents before Columbus as a vast, underused territory, sparsely populated by primitives whose cultures would inevitably bow before the advanced technologies of the Europeans. For decades, though, among the archaeologists, anthropologists, paleolinguists, and others whose discoveries Charles C. Mann brings together in 1491, different stories have been emerging. Among the revelations: the first Americans may not have come over the Bering land bridge around 12,000 B.C. but by boat along the Pacific coast 10 or even 20 thousand years earlier; the Americas were a far more urban, more populated, and more technologically advanced region than generally assumed; and the Indians, rather than living in static harmony with nature, radically engineered the landscape across the continents, to the point that even “timeless” natural features like the Amazon rainforest can be seen as products of human intervention.

Mann is well aware that much of the history he relates is necessarily speculative, the product of pot-shard interpretation and precise scientific measurements that often end up being radically revised in later decades. But the most compelling of his eye-opening revisionist stories are among the best-founded: the stories of early American-European contact. To many of those who were there, the earliest encounters felt more like a meeting of equals than one of natural domination. And those who came later and found an emptied landscape that seemed ripe for the taking, Mann argues convincingly, encountered not the natural and unchanging state of the native American, but the evidence of a sudden calamity: the ravages of what was likely the greatest epidemic in human history, the smallpox and other diseases introduced inadvertently by Europeans to a population without immunity, which swept through the Americas faster than the explorers who brought it, and left behind for their discovery a land that held only a shadow of the thriving cultures that it had sustained for centuries before. –Tom Nissley

A 1491 Timeline
Europe and Asia

Dates The Americas

25000-35000 B.C. Time of paleo-Indian migration to Americas from Siberia, according to genetic evidence. Groups likely traveled across the Pacific in boats.

Wheat and barley grown from wild ancestors in Sumer.

6000

5000 In what many scientists regard as humankind’s first and greatest feat of genetic engineering, Indians in southern Mexico systematically breed maize (corn) from dissimilar ancestor species.

First cities established in Sumer.

4000

3000 The Americas’ first urban complex, in coastal Peru, of at least 30 closely packed cities, each centered around large pyramid-like structures

Great Pyramid at Giza

2650

32 First clear evidence of Olmec use of zero–an invention, widely described as the most important mathematical discovery ever made, which did not occur in Eurasia until about 600 A.D., in India (zero was not introduced to Europe until the 1200s and not widely used until the 1700s)

800-840 A.D. Sudden collapse of most central Maya cities in the face of severe drought and lengthy war

Vikings briefly establish first European settlements in North America.

1000 Reconstruction of Cahokia, c. 1250 A.D.* Abrupt rise of Cahokia, near modern St. Louis, the largest city north of the Rio Grande. Population estimates vary from at least 15,000 to 100,000.

Black Death devastates Europe.

1347-1351

1398 Birth of Tlacaélel, the brilliant Mexican strategist behind the Triple Alliance (also known as the Aztec empire), which within decades controls central Mexico, then the most densely settled place on Earth.

The Encounter: Columbus sails from Europe to the Caribbean.

1492 The Encounter: Columbus sails from Europe to the Caribbean.

Syphilis apparently brought to Europe by Columbus’s returning crew.

1493

Ferdinand Magellan departs from Spain on around-the-world voyage.

1519 Sixteenth-century Mexica drawing of the effects of smallpox** Cortes driven from Tenochtitlán, capital of the Triple Alliance, and then gains victory as smallpox, a European disease never before seen in the Americas, kills at least one of three in the empire.

1525-1533 The smallpox epidemic sweeps into Peru, killing as much as half the population of the Inka empire and opening the door to conquest by Spanish forces led by Pizarro.

1617 Huge areas of New England nearly depopulated by epidemic brought by shipwrecked French sailors.

English Pilgrims arrive at Patuxet, an Indian village emptied by disease, and survive on stored Indian food, renaming the village Plymouth.

1620

<span style="font-size:6px">*Courtesy Cahokia Mounds State Historic Site, Collinsville, Ill., painting by Michael Hampshire. **Courtesy Museum of Indian Arts and Culture, Santa Fe, N.M. (Bernardino de Sahagún, <span style="font-style:italic">Historia General de las Cosas de Nueva España,</span> 1547-77).</span> 

From Publishers Weekly

Starred Review. In a riveting and fast-paced history, massing archeological, anthropological, scientific and literary evidence, Mann debunks much of what we thought we knew about pre-Columbian America. Reviewing the latest, not widely reported research in Indian demography, origins and ecology, Mann zestfully demonstrates that long before any European explorers set foot in the New World, Native American cultures were flourishing with a high degree of sophistication. The new researchers have turned received wisdom on its head. For example, it has long been believed the Inca fell to Pizarro because they had no metallurgy to produce steel for weapons. In fact, scholars say, the Inca had a highly refined metallurgy, but valued plasticity over strength. What defeated the Inca was not steel but smallpox and resulting internecine warfare. Mann also shows that the Maya constructed huge cities and governed them with a cohesive set of political ideals. Most notably, according to Mann, the Haudenosaunee, in what is now the Northeast U.S., constructed a loose confederation of tribes governed by the principles of individual liberty and social equality. The author also weighs the evidence that Native populations were far larger than previously calculated. Mann, a contributor to the Atlantic Monthly and Science, masterfully assembles a diverse body of scholarship into a first-rate history of Native America and its inhabitants. 56 b&w photos, 15 maps.

Copyright © Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

Thanks for putting up the info on ‘‘1491’’. It’s written by a journalist so the textbook type material is made a little more fun to read.

I have many books on native history and archeology (mostly on Florida), but "1491’’ is my favorite overall. It’s also bibliographed and

annotated so well that it can lead to as much further reading as your heart desires.

…thanks man,

one thing that I never understood is how in different parts of the world with different civilizations, pyramids were constructed

seems that people moved (or the info) more than the hystory guys known…

RV/MD Since were now off topic and talking history?

I’ve been into history for some time now. One study I did a few years ago was on California history.

The book that makes for a great read is: Rush to Riches by J.S. Holliday 1999

After spending 8 years traveling the world it was good to be back in California were I was born and raised. Started learning more about the state of California only to discover it’s rich history!

SD

Review

“The Odyssey had Homer, the Aeneid had Virgil. The California Gold Rush has J.S. Holliday. He has hit pay dirt again with RUSH FOR RICHESS” – Sunset Magazine –This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

Product Description

In this vivid account of the birth of modern California, J.S. Holliday frames the gold rush years within the larger story of the state’s transformation from the quietude of a Mexican hinterland in the 1840s to the forefront of entrepreneurial capitalism by the 1890s. No other state, no nation experienced such an adolescence of freedom and success. By 1883 California was hailed as “America, only more so.”

Holliday’s boldly interpretive narrative has the authority and immediacy of an eyewitness account. This eminent historian recreates the masculine world of mining camps and rough cities, where both business and pleasure were conducted far from hometown eyes and conventional inhibitions. He follows gold mining’s swift evolution from treasure hunt to vast industry; traces the prodigal plunder of California’s virgin rivers and abundant forests; and describes improvised feats of engineering, breathtaking in their scope and execution.

Holliday also conjures the ambitious, often ruthless Californians whose rush for riches rapidly changed the state: the Silver Kings of the Comstock Lode, the timber barons of the Sierra forests, the Big Four who built the first transcontinental railroad, and the lesser profit-seekers who owned steamboats, pack mules, gambling dens and bordellos–and, most important for California’s future, the farmers who prospered feeding the rapidly growing population. This wildly laissez-faire economy created California’s image as a risk- taking society, unconstrained by fear of failure.

The central theme of Rush for Riches is how, after decades of careless freedom, the miners were finally reined in by the farmers, and how their once mutually dependent relationship soured into hostility. This potential violence led to a dramatic courtroom decision in 1884 that shut down the mighty hydraulic mining operations–the end of California’s free-for-all youthful exuberance.

Unique in its format, this beautiful book offers not only a compelling narrative but also almost two hundred fifty illustrations, one hundred in full color, that richly illuminate the themes and details of the text: daguerreotypes, photographs, paintings, lithographs, sketches, and specially drawn maps.

“No one writes better about California’s irresistible past. Jim Holliday has the optimistic energy of a greenhorn gold bug, the sober reflection and fatalistic charm of the oldest of prospectors, and the genius of those content to watch the madness unfold from a safe, wise and utterly sane perspective. I am a huge fan.”–Ken Burns, producer of the PBS series The West

“J.S. Holliday–better than anyone, ever–has set forth in one volume the epic story of California’s founding era. Here in rich language and full detail, in all the sweep and grandeur of history as social science and imaginative art, are chronicled the four decades of the nineteenth century that shaped California for all time to come.” --Kevin Starr, author of Americans and the California Dream

“Holliday combines careful scholarship, a graceful writing style, and rich illustrations into a powerful narrative that encompasses a wide array of historical subjects–political, economic, technological, environmental, social, and cultural. . . . The author is an accomplished and widely acclaimed researcher and storyteller.” --Malcolm J. Rohrbough, author of Days of Gold

“J.S. Holliday has produced a history as exciting as the gold rush itself. By carrying the narrative of this fascinating and complex event to the end of the century, he enables us to see its impact upon an urbanizing, industrializing America.” --Joyce Appleby, coauthor of Telling the Truth about History

Review

“The Odyssey had Homer, the Aeneid had Virgil. The California Gold Rush has J.S. Holliday. He has hit pay dirt again with RUSH FOR RICHESS” – Sunset Magazine –This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

Product Description

In this vivid account of the birth of modern California, J.S. Holliday frames the gold rush years within the larger story of the state’s transformation from the quietude of a Mexican hinterland in the 1840s to the forefront of entrepreneurial capitalism by the 1890s. No other state, no nation experienced such an adolescence of freedom and success. By 1883 California was hailed as “America, only more so.”

Holliday’s boldly interpretive narrative has the authority and immediacy of an eyewitness account. This eminent historian recreates the masculine world of mining camps and rough cities, where both business and pleasure were conducted far from hometown eyes and conventional inhibitions. He follows gold mining’s swift evolution from treasure hunt to vast industry; traces the prodigal plunder of California’s virgin rivers and abundant forests; and describes improvised feats of engineering, breathtaking in their scope and execution.

Holliday also conjures the ambitious, often ruthless Californians whose rush for riches rapidly changed the state: the Silver Kings of the Comstock Lode, the timber barons of the Sierra forests, the Big Four who built the first transcontinental railroad, and the lesser profit-seekers who owned steamboats, pack mules, gambling dens and bordellos–and, most important for California’s future, the farmers who prospered feeding the rapidly growing population. This wildly laissez-faire economy created California’s image as a risk- taking society, unconstrained by fear of failure.

The central theme of Rush for Riches is how, after decades of careless freedom, the miners were finally reined in by the farmers, and how their once mutually dependent relationship soured into hostility. This potential violence led to a dramatic courtroom decision in 1884 that shut down the mighty hydraulic mining operations–the end of California’s free-for-all youthful exuberance.

Unique in its format, this beautiful book offers not only a compelling narrative but also almost two hundred fifty illustrations, one hundred in full color, that richly illuminate the themes and details of the text: daguerreotypes, photographs, paintings, lithographs, sketches, and specially drawn maps.

“No one writes better about California’s irresistible past. Jim Holliday has the optimistic energy of a greenhorn gold bug, the sober reflection and fatalistic charm of the oldest of prospectors, and the genius of those content to watch the madness unfold from a safe, wise and utterly sane perspective. I am a huge fan.”–Ken Burns, producer of the PBS series The West

“J.S. Holliday–better than anyone, ever–has set forth in one volume the epic story of California’s founding era. Here in rich language and full detail, in all the sweep and grandeur of history as social science and imaginative art, are chronicled the four decades of the nineteenth century that shaped California for all time to come.” --Kevin Starr, author of Americans and the California Dream

“Holliday combines careful scholarship, a graceful writing style, and rich illustrations into a powerful narrative that encompasses a wide array of historical subjects–political, economic, technological, environmental, social, and cultural. . . . The author is an accomplished and widely acclaimed researcher and storyteller.” --Malcolm J. Rohrbough, author of Days of Gold

“J.S. Holliday has produced a history as exciting as the gold rush itself. By carrying the narrative of this fascinating and complex event to the end of the century, he enables us to see its impact upon an urbanizing, industrializing America.” --Joyce Appleby, coauthor of Telling the Truth about History

Review

“The Odyssey had Homer, the Aeneid had Virgil. The California Gold Rush has J.S. Holliday. He has hit pay dirt again with RUSH FOR RICHESS” – Sunset Magazine –This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

Product Description

In this vivid account of the birth of modern California, J.S. Holliday frames the gold rush years within the larger story of the state’s transformation from the quietude of a Mexican hinterland in the 1840s to the forefront of entrepreneurial capitalism by the 1890s. No other state, no nation experienced such an adolescence of freedom and success. By 1883 California was hailed as “America, only more so.”

Holliday’s boldly interpretive narrative has the authority and immediacy of an eyewitness account. This eminent historian recreates the masculine world of mining camps and rough cities, where both business and pleasure were conducted far from hometown eyes and conventional inhibitions. He follows gold mining’s swift evolution from treasure hunt to vast industry; traces the prodigal plunder of California’s virgin rivers and abundant forests; and describes improvised feats of engineering, breathtaking in their scope and execution.

Holliday also conjures the ambitious, often ruthless Californians whose rush for riches rapidly changed the state: the Silver Kings of the Comstock Lode, the timber barons of the Sierra forests, the Big Four who built the first transcontinental railroad, and the lesser profit-seekers who owned steamboats, pack mules, gambling dens and bordellos–and, most important for California’s future, the farmers who prospered feeding the rapidly growing population. This wildly laissez-faire economy created California’s image as a risk- taking society, unconstrained by fear of failure.

The central theme of Rush for Riches is how, after decades of careless freedom, the miners were finally reined in by the farmers, and how their once mutually dependent relationship soured into hostility. This potential violence led to a dramatic courtroom decision in 1884 that shut down the mighty hydraulic mining operations–the end of California’s free-for-all youthful exuberance.

Unique in its format, this beautiful book offers not only a compelling narrative but also almost two hundred fifty illustrations, one hundred in full color, that richly illuminate the themes and details of the text: daguerreotypes, photographs, paintings, lithographs, sketches, and specially drawn maps.

“No one writes better about California’s irresistible past. Jim Holliday has the optimistic energy of a greenhorn gold bug, the sober reflection and fatalistic charm of the oldest of prospectors, and the genius of those content to watch the madness unfold from a safe, wise and utterly sane perspective. I am a huge fan.”–Ken Burns, producer of the PBS series The West

“J.S. Holliday–better than anyone, ever–has set forth in one volume the epic story of California’s founding era. Here in rich language and full detail, in all the sweep and grandeur of history as social science and imaginative art, are chronicled the four decades of the nineteenth century that shaped California for all time to come.” --Kevin Starr, author of Americans and the California Dream

“Holliday combines careful scholarship, a graceful writing style, and rich illustrations into a powerful narrative that encompasses a wide array of historical subjects–political, economic, technological, environmental, social, and cultural. . . . The author is an accomplished and widely acclaimed researcher and storyteller.” --Malcolm J. Rohrbough, author of Days of Gold

“J.S. Holliday has produced a history as exciting as the gold rush itself. By carrying the narrative of this fascinating and complex event to the end of the century, he enables us to see its impact upon an urbanizing, industrializing America.” --Joyce Appleby, coauthor of Telling the Truth about History

UGLY THIS POST DID GET !! i beleive all that is left is :: WHEN IS COBRA GONNA RE OPEN ??

And here was me thinking they were on strike…

…just trying to lighten things up…

now as far as the history buffs:

Hey! Go get a room!!!

Enough history! OK Dead here’s the update:

Corbra is re-opened at half capacity!

China is being hit hard by the economy more that we can imagine.

I supect we will be busy next spring with orders for customs.

I sure hope so.

Perhaps the ‘end of an era’ thread will prove ironic.

That would be sweet!

As it stands my operation will shut down for Xmas Day then reopen on the 26th.

That is if me, myself and I are in agreement.