Comments on my 6'6" Single fin EGG template...

General Discussion
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Hi, this is going to be my third shape… i found a 6’8 blank that i’m going to buy tomorrow (don’t remember exactly which one, it’s what i have access here, i’ll let you know later about rocker) to start working on this build… i will be making a 6’6" Single Fin EGG…  (template attached)

 

The dimensions of template are:           6’6"  x   (16.5"  x  20" x 14.5")… widest point moved forward

 

I wanted to get some input regarding to the rails, bottom contours and fin placement          

 

    FIN                   1. right now i’m thinking of using a long center box 4.5" from the tail(illustrated on the picture)… ???

 

   BOTTOM          2.  Right now the two boards  i ride the most in my quiver have “vee” in the tail so i’m leaning toward this… I intend to use this board on crowded beach breaks(when everything is blown out) where i don’t want to ride my 9’4 single fin longboard…or clean reef                                        breaks 4’ to 6’…

 

   RAILS               3.  sharp rails in the tail for response ( up to where approximately from the tail???) and what about the middle and front section of the board…?

 

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How much do you weigh?

I would take 3/4" off the nose and 1/2" off the tail. It will put more curve in the outline and the board will be more balanced. A 2" difference between nose and tail on a board that short is a bit much, proportionally.

Just one man’s opinion.

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check out Ray’s board: http://www2.swaylocks.com/forums/stingray-perfect-fin-setup …
first thing that came to mind. is that kinda what you’re going for?

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IMO, a properly tuned egg needs only one fin. 7.5-8.5 inches and real flexy.

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thanks for your input SammyA and chrisp… 

 

well put sammy, i’m already making some small changes in the template…trying the minimize the 2" difference from nose to tail… (moving the wide point back a little, widest point to 20.5" instead of 20… pulled in the nose a little and gave it a little more in the tail… it seems more balanced, ill try and post the new one soon…  

my weight is 125 pounds  and 5’2" tall… i like riding long boards… right now i have  in my quiver an (8’ x 22.75" x 3"- thruster, my FIRST SHAPE), a (9’4" x 22.875" x 2.75" aprox.- single fin) and a big keel fish( 6’ - big for my size but i like the ride, and flotation…)

 

chrisp… i was looking at Ray’s board, i’m thinking something like that template but a little bit sleeker in the mid section ( 20.5" instead of 21.5") and I agree with Sammy in the fin arrangement (good tip about dimensions)…

i’m going with SINGLE FIN, (i like the way i’m riding my single fin longboard, the feeling and flow… ) a friend recommended me that if in the future i felt the board needed some side bites… I could just glass them on and it’s ready to go…

 

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If you were bigger I’d have suggested widening the template in the middle instead of narrowing the nose to get more curve, but given your height/weight I think SammyA is dead on.   I agree with him on the single fin, too, at least for starters.  Flat bottom with maybe 1/8" vee starting from a couple inches in front of the finbox.

 

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why vee?

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5’2" and 125 lbs? Make that baby nice and thin. 6’6" with those dimensions is more suited to a guy around 175.

 

gdaddy is right about keeping the V slight. I’d start it just ahead of the fin and roll it a bit at the tip.  I would keep the bottom fairly flat through the middle and do a slight belly/roll up toward the nose.

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haha.. yeah sammy, thats what I plan... i'm thinking this board being preety thin and racy... I took into consideration your comments as well as GDADDY's and after playing for a while with the outline and moving the widepoint a bit back i got something I like even more...(i think the widepoint on the first template was way to up front... I think moving it a little bit back helped me get a better curve on the outline.. plus the other changes) 

new measurements:      ( 16.5" N   x   20.5"   x   15" T )

 Sounds good about the bottom contours, mostly flat bottom is what i thought but wanted to get some input about the tail section... sounds good about the slight roll in the nose...

Afoaf... i'm thinking about the vee in the tail because two of the boards I ride the most have VEE in the tail and i'm liking it... for what I understand about Vee of the tail is that it creates a bit of drag but it pays in maneuverability....( this bit of drag i don't mind, i wan't this board glassed heavy - 6+6oz deck and 6oz bottom for durability and momentum) .....on the tail section the board will have a bit more rocker in the rail than on the stringer... am I right..?

What would you use for bottom contours on a board like these afoaf..?

 

maybe someone could share some background  about the bottom countours used when developing the EGG concept (maybe mid 70's??) and help me get to know a little better this idea.. (i'm doing a lot of research about these stuff, but theres so much knowledge that's not to be found in the net, but shared by those who experienced it..)

 

 

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How much do you weigh?

I would take 3/4" off the nose and 1/2" off the tail. It will put more curve in the outline and the board will be more balanced. A 2" difference between nose and tail on a board that short is a bit much, proportionally.

Just one man's opinion.

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I agree with Sammy......more curve in the outline.

5'2" 125 lbs ???????  Let's build you a fish........I've got lots of Fish templates if you live near San Diego.....

...Eggs are for old guys like me that are bored with longboards but don't ride short boards......

I love single fins but a two plus one gives you more options......you don't have to use the side bites......... 

...........Or................make it a quad plus one or what ever ProBox Larry calls it !!!!!

fun,fun,fun

Ray

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...Eggs are for old guys like me that are bored with longboards but don't ride short boards......

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How about old guys like me that don't catch enough waves with shortboards but don't ride longboards?  I'm gonna hatch an egg!

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I think it depends on how you want to surf the board and under what conditions.  If you’re into singlefin longboards, like my youngest son, then sticking to that type of layout for your egg makes a lot of sense.  Flat rocker, touch of vee to help smooth your turns and a flex fin will put you into the pocket.    A 15" tail on a single fin calls for a fin of at least 8".  The egg we have at our house rocks a 16" rounded pin tail and my son (weighs 230#) uses a 10" Velzy flex fin from Tru Ames.  Of course, his weight does figure into his setup.    

He surfed that board yesterday in overhead and marginal Swamis and got some really nice rides in an otherwise packed lineup.  

 

OTOH, if you’re looking to surf more “actively” on your egg then a 2+1 fin setup and a bit more rocker will make the board more versatile over a wider range of conditions.  For that (and if it was for me) I’d also change up the template and move the wide point back closer to the center and round the tail.  Matter of fact, I’d be shooting at exactly what Stingray did with his blue 6-3 that’s referenced earlier in this thread, except a little longer.  I’ve done a couple like that (one with a quad) for friends and they love them.   

 

Given your height and weight, if you want a 2+1 and you don’t actually need the entire 6-6 length to get waves I’d point at Stingray’s 6-3 as a good alternative for you, except a little narrower.   

 

The difference between the singles and the 2+1 is that the latter setup gives you more drive during the 2nd half of your turns so you can get more aggressive with them.  You can take off diagonally on the face of the wave and pump for speed.  You would surf the board primarily off the tail.   OTOH, singles are all about going with the wave and milking it for what it’s got rather than making your own speed.  You would trim more from the center and move back to sink the tail for your turns.  They’re harder to ride well.  I like singles a lot because I think the help to smooth out your surfing and force you to read the wave and use it better.     

 

Everything is a compromise.  That’s what quivers are for.  

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5'2" 125 lbs ???????  Let's build you a fish........I've got lots of Fish templates if you live near San Diego.....

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ha, thanks stingray... I was between shaping a fish or an egg... couldn't find a fish blank for now, so I started with the EGG... i'll would really like to discuss this design later on... i really like the classic fish concept... BUT i'm not around, never been in California..!! hopefully soon..!!!!   i'm from San Juan, Puerto Rico...

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stingray wrote:

...Eggs are for old guys like me that are bored with longboards but don't ride short boards......

 

How about old guys like me that don't catch enough waves with shortboards but don't ride longboards?  I'm gonna hatch an egg!

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haha.. thats nice to hear, then ill have lots of potential buyers where I surf the most if the board turns out good..! to help budget my next project... a FISH... i'll make sure to get your input there also...

 

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....I think it depends on how you want to surf the board and under what conditions.  If you're into singlefin longboards, like my youngest son, then sticking to that type of layout for your egg makes a lot of sense.  Flat rocker, touch of vee to help smooth your turns and a flex fin will put you into the pocket.    A 15" tail on a single fin calls for a fin of at least 8".  The egg we have at our house rocks a 16" rounded pin tail and my son (weighs 230#) uses a 10" Velzy flex fin from Tru Ames.  Of course, his weight does figure into his setup....

...OTOH, singles are all about going with the wave and milking it for what it's got rather than making your own speed.  You would trim more from the center and move back to sink the tail for your turns.  They're harder to ride well.  I like singles a lot because I think the help to smooth out your surfing and force you to read the wave and use it better....

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good point... i'm really a mellow surfer, that's what i'm looking for..

 

 

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A 15" tail on a single fin calls for a fin of at least 8".  The egg we have at our house rocks a 16" rounded pin tail and my son (weighs 230#) uses a 10" Velzy flex fin from Tru Ames.  Of course, his weight does figure into his setup....

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and thanks for the example of fin size vs. tail measurement... i'll comment on it later, will see what FINS of this size i can find in local shops or with friends...!!

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Ray

 

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hi… i’m back in the net after a couple of crazy weeks of epic surf and work…

 

in the meantime I got the BLANK (King Mac 6’8"E) and worked on the template from paper to masonite (1/2 board template)… the rocker in this blank is like 4.25" in the nose or less and 2.25" on the tail…i’m going to shape it on tuesday for now…(i’m using the shaping room of a friend)

 

i’ve been looking around in local shops for some fins around 7" to 8" because theres not much variety(that’s what I thought but thinking about it now, I saw a couple of fins that i liked and would work)… if i don’t find what I need i’ll have to order one… what I have seen for now is:  (most of them are Fluid Foils)

      a.  7" Dolphin fin

      b.  7" and one bigger Rusty Preisendorfer FLEX fin ( wide based)

c. a couple of Hull FLEX in the range of 8" and 8.5"

d. Soul FLEX ( thinner base, but the one they have is 9" i would have to order it…

e. Cutaway… and a couple of more…

 

any recommendations regarding the fin… gdaddy recommended an 8" fin but now i’m wondering about the shape of the fin…

 

If I go with a fin of 8" should i look for a thinner base shaped fin or not really…?

 

a friend recommended me to go with a 7" or 7.5" with a thin base but i’m thinking that is too small of a fin for the board( i haven’t got the opportunity to compare it with the shape which would help me a lot i think…)

 

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TK flex from rainbow 7.5 or 8

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finished shaping  tthree weeks ago and went to a local shaper for glassing (i don’t have the space right now for glassing but looking forward to start working with that…)

6’6"  .   16.5" .   20.5"   .   15"   .   (width between 2-3/8" and  2.5")

the bottom is flat to slight vee in the tail…   tucked-in rails in the tail starting to get softer where the fin box ends… moved the fin about 3/4" forward after taking the picture… 

after reviewing the fins i could fin and sizes i decided for the 7.5" greenough 4a…

in the deck it has the decals and one black pinstripe… 

 

got to surf the board in an windy/choppy afternoon session with 4’ mushy waves and got a couple of good rides, the board is fast and loose… the wave didn’t have much face to it much of the time so had to do a couple of cutbacks and felt nice how it maintained the speed during the turn… then paddled to a shallower part of the reef and handled very well some  late takeoffs, one with a short coverup after the bottom turn followed by a full roundhouse with good speed and control…(best wave of the session; took a couple of screams and laughs out of me at the end of the wave, I’m super stoked with the outcome of the board) looking forward to take it out in the next good swell and get some longer rides…  for now i’m stoked; if I got some good rides in those shi*!y conditions(me being a longboarder thats not normaly paddling a 6’6" x 2.5" inches thin board.)

 

THANKS for all you help and comments… 

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The board looks nice.  I’m sure you’ll have a lot of fun with it.  

You’ve got enough rocker to really push the board into overhead waves if that’s what you want to do.  If you start having problems with the fin breaking loose in steeper faces you can add a pair a small sidebites.