Commercial Surfboard Attrocities

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Hey Swaykook, if a company cant build a light board that lasts longer than 3 months, they should not be in business. Thats pure laziness in not choosing the right materials for the structure. My sunova is lighter than that CI. It is 10 years old and does not have a compression in the deck.  and yeah it performs better than my CI MBM

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Bravo! That's what I was expecting to read here. Compsand is nothing new,  I've seen some amazing boards with ridiculous weight and incredible strenght. With $650 (CI machado model retail price) you can go and buy a decent setup and start making your own durable boards.

The surf industry looks after  surfers in the same way as farmers look after the land. (or should that be livestock)!

Mark

Building boards that break easily ensures that future boards will be purchased sooner rather than later. Pros don’t care (even if there is an equally light alternative), because their boards are free.

aside from the attitude (that you show better in your later post), there’s still some flawed reasoning that goes on here, IMHO.

Lat’s say you buy a corvette, you know you’re buying a high performance car, but you don’t expect the engine to blow up in a day of heavy driving, do you? that’s definitely not an uncommon occurrence in race cars though. the thing is, a “race tuned” car is not (and should not be) made available to the general public, just sitting in a car lot for anybody to walk in and buy it. You can buy it, but it takes some effort, that effort (and we’re not talking just $$$ here) we could call “barrier to entry”, by taking that effort you acknowledge and accept the flaws that come with the performance.

that is not the case with CI boards, they’re available to anybody (and often pushed as the industry standard by surf shop clerks). I would also argue that I doubt pro surfers are happy if they snap a board during a turn, and I doubt it happens frequently, and that their boards are probably crafted with more care than what we buy off the shelf.

But more importantly: didn’t Surfer or Surfing or one of those mags run a piece on all the amazing things that CI can do now that they have access to the Burton material science lab, telling stories of uber-light-Xtra-strong composites that will revolutionize the world? that was a while back, we haven’t really seen anything.

Bottom line, though: $700 (because with taxes you’re up there) for a CI board is just a bad deal, unless you have money to waste. And a friend of mine just snapped one in half during his 3rd session on it  (and this was a beefier model too, not super skinny). Hence, I agree on the going custom with a local shaper thing :slight_smile:

 

Dick measuring contest ? Are you guy's serious ?

I'm with swaykook. The industry just gives the sheep what they demand !!

For the most part,a quality product,that sometimes fails.

Shit happens !! Boards break.

Does'nt matter what construction methods you use.

Sorry Paul but you have no idea what being a professional board builder means.  Lot’s of good people building boards for a living and working their butts off and taking every bit as much pride in what they do as you do.

Futures?  I’ve used hunderds … and tens of thousands of flanged boxes.  I could count the failues on my fingers.  Failures usually come down to the guy doing the install.  If your having issues I think you know where to look.

Yea, SK has a point.

The board in question was built extremely light.  Probably most of the failure was due to the foam, not the glassing.  Failures like the one here are usually very light foam densities.

Is it just me, or is there some high end bullshit on this thread???

I actually enjoy surf equipment failure,gives me a reason to break out some tools and resin and fuk off in the garage.I’m sorry you paid too much for your board though…good luck with the repair.

I had an attrocity once........

Back when I was about 13 years old I bought a new board.  I paddled out at a closed out beach break and took off on an overhead sucked out closeout.  My one week old stick snapped like a twig.

What's even worse is I took it back to the shop where I bought it and complained about how easily my $300 board had broken and they had absolutely no sympathy for my situation.  They didn't even offer to give me a new one.

HaHa!!

Ah yes…   Seems like making your own is a good solution.

Hi Rexdog -

It might have been a stringer defect?

You might have a really heavy back foot or it happened while landing an air?  Maybe you landed some airs or floaters and weakened the board to where it broke during your turn?

There could have been a delam going on under that pad... it could have allowed excess flex that led to breakage?

I've seen brand new professionally made boards snap the very first time in the water.  In one case as the poor guy was paddling out!  He never even caught one wave on his Stewart longboard.  No warranty.

Surftechs break.  No warranty.

There is a photo of a gun in Hawaii - a big thick multi-stringered gun with a heavy glass job.... in two pieces.

Even Bert Burger has posted pics of broken Sunovas here.

As surfing consumers learn to expect super light boards, they don't always appreciate the loss of durability that goes with that light weight.

It looks as if you at least got some rides on it.

[img_assist|nid=1049124|title=denting new board|desc=|link=none|align=left|width=576|height=640]I got a new HP board for free last year and waxed it up and had a 1/2hr surf on it to see where to put my tail pad.I figured out where my foot placement was pretty easy but decided to skip the pad.

This was my first new custom shop board in 10years.

You have got to laugh at the  4oz glass job-light pu foam jobbies.

swaykook you just do that mate.! im gunna go and do a gloss coat and surf empty 4 ft reef breaks for the next two days. enjoy your time in the factory c#nt.

 

"Sorry Paul but you have no idea what
being a professional board builder means.  Lot’s of good people
building boards for a living and working their butts off and taking
every bit as much pride in what they do as you do.

Futures?  I’ve used hunderds … and tens of thousands of flanged
boxes.  I could count the failues on my fingers.  Failures usually come
down to the guy doing the install.  If your having issues I think you
know where to look.

Yea, SK has a point.

The board in question was built extremely light.  Probably most of
the failure was due to the foam, not the glassing.  Failures like the
one here are usually very light foam densities."

 

hi greg your right, i do not have any idea nor do i want to!

 

"-I have a customer who s the junior champion here

and has only 1 board

I have been “counting” how many waves he s been riding on that board

and is between 2500 - 3000 waves

the board still go and its in good condition

it s a 5 6´´ x 2 1/8

not overshaped (handshaped and with the right blank), 2 4oz deck, 1 bottom, sanded hot coat, then speed finished"

thats alot of waves for a inexpensive poly board

is it surfblanks yellow?

i tell ya man rexdog must have a the heaviest gouging fuck off cuback to snap a 3 month old board in the tail like that.

or it was a professionally made industry standard from top notch glassers with the greatest fin system on the market

tell me rexdog, do you think you have had 2000 waves on it?

 

 

I'll jump in.....

 

People can say what they want. It's the internet and words on a screen don't make boards or go surfing.

 

Most pro boardmakers started in their backyard or garage. I'm one. Over the years I've seen more shoddy work out of garages than factories. Factories just do more volume, and yes they sometimes do shoddy work too.

 

Silly, I think you are the one who said this is a garage builders forum. It's not. Read the title, it's a surfboard design forum. Open to everyone. I don't think Mike started this site with garage builders in mind, it was with surfboard designers and builders in mind, all of them. Anyone who's keen to improve their boardmaking skills.

 

The big ego pro's who lurk here silently, and we know they do, generally hate to share their secrets, and they are also secretly on the lookout for the next big idea. Sometimes it's out of the box and they hate to miss out. That's why so many big manufacturers have their own version of the same model. Most are scared to take the big plunge into something new. Ego is a very fragile thing and reputations are on the line.

 

Brand critisism, underlying in this thread, isn't really the direction this should be taking. Construction, workmanship and design critisism is okay, as long as everyone interested gets a better understanding of the issue. Maybe even a CI lurker is learning from this. If they are not, in this case they should be.

 

As for speed sanding, in my experience speed sanding usually ends up with undersanding not oversanding. Oversanding is just too much work and too much dust. If you are speeding and oversanding perhaps you need to slow down and learn to do it a bit better, then pick the speed up again, with quality.

 

Or get the lamination better in the first place so the sanding is reduced.

 

Clear resin on white surfboards. Unless you do it yourself, nobody really knows what the quality is after it's finished.

 

 

 

i have no idea if it was oversanded, i mean how can you really tell anyway.  Within the the past three months i have gotten somewhere around 950 to maybe 1350 waves on it.  i got this number this way, i get anywhere from 25 to 35 waves in a 2 and 1/2 hour session, now there are 30 days to a month.  Multiply that by the median, 30, which would make 900 wave s a month.  i did not ride this board evryday though, so i put in the safe estimate of dividing it in half.  thats 450 multiplied by 3 months, that make its 1350. i used this so people don’t think i’m pulling this number out of my butt.  

Anyway, my frustration and anger has passed for the most part.  i even talked to a local guy and he’s willing to do some boards for me for super cheap.  they’ll probably have a lot more love put into them anyways.  i think i’ll also reshape the board into a nice little screw around board.

 

I’m a surfer first, and a shaper second. 

i just did a calculation,

at around $650 / 1350 waves that worked out to $0.48 per wave...

that sounds like a bargain compared to other sports...

somehow i think all the complaining is meaningless given the cost

getting some "cheapy" is not really the solution, but getting a board made for you and your local conditions does have it's benefits...

either way...

not all racks boards are bad, but mistakes do happen with production boards and in this case for the board to snap between the boxes,

this often has happened due to something failing before (ie: a crack in the rail) the end result is going for a cutback and snapping the board...

 

not nice, but given the fact that you had probably done a zillion cutbacks on that board before it broke, it can be fair to say,

the board had had it's day...and at $0.48 per wave, u got the most value out of it, and well,  that was a good deal in my opinion!

 

 

 

 

interesting point!

u may be interested to know,

that 4 ways is coming out with an under the glass system soon, that will still incorporate the break-away system built in the disc,

this way the board won't be destroyed, as in this case...

 

just pop in another disc and fin and back in the water...

 

i'll keep u all posted...

regards

Deano

 

…hello Silly,

it s an orange density.

 

 

-Rexdog, I really doubt that you surfed all those waves in 3 months

or may be you live in the best most consistent spot in the planet

 

-Wildy,

yes oversanded

it s easy to oversand the glass work near the tail (on the edges, etc)

speed sand…no

oversand cause the glass work is thin, the resin layer is thin

and production board don t have reinforcement in the tail edges or tail rails.

 

Im not here behind a computer telling stuff without know anything about what Im writing

 

-it s easy for the trained eye know if a board is oversanded

 

Silly,

this is the board that I mentioned


this winter and spring have been pretty consistent so far…