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Jail Will Wipe Out Surf Star Clint Kimmins - 18 Month Sentence Unjust

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Jail will wipe out surf star

Michael Wray

August 05, 2006 12:00am

THE professional career of one of Australia’s best big-wave surfers ended yesterday when he was found guilty of stabbing a man in the back with broken glass at a birthday party.

Clinton Philip Kimmins, 22, was found guilty in Southport District Court yesterday of one count of unlawfully wounding and sentenced to 18 months’ jail, suspended after six months.

Lawyer Bill Potts said the defence team was “seriously considering” an appeal on the basis that the sentence was “manifestly excessive”.

Kimmins stabbed Byron Bay oyster farmer Dru Baggaley in the neck and back at the Tugun Surf Life Saving Club on April 17, 2004, during an altercation at a 21st birthday.

Baggaley said in a phone interview he was “shattered” because he would not have pursued the incident if Kimmins had come to Byron Bay and admitted his actions.

“I feel really sorry for him, I never wanted it to come to this,” he said.

Defence barrister Tony Kimmins (no relation) told the court the surfer, who expected to be ranked in the world’s top 50 by the end of the year, did not make the trip on advice from another legal team.

After the jury of eight women and four men delivered the verdict, Kimmins told his defence team that his sponsorship with a surf clothing company was "being torn up

I don’t necessarily think the jail time is unjust. I think not only was the boy stupid to have done such a violent act, but what is amazing is the victim here says that he would never

even have gone to court had the boy come and admitted remorse. It says the legal counsel for the boy supposedly advised not to.

Well of course legal counsel advises no communication!! Legal counsel and court room proceedings feed off of human beings NOT communicating!

Sure I will be termed a do-gooder lecturer which I apologize if I sound like, but the Dalai Lama says communication is our absolute right and duty to partake in at the risk of all.

That one should never give up. That it is this ability to communicate, to show humility and compassion that is the basis of everything. He even says in this country we spend too much

developing our minds. That we do not develop the heart.

Now no matter what you think of the Dalai Lama … there is evidence in medical proceedings that when patients do not sue but rather ask for help from doctors … realize that tolerance to another therapy might help, anything …

that all around everything works out better. Not only is the medical problem improved upon but no one loses more money. Same with mediation in divorces and all matters.

It is harder at times for males to express themselves I think. That’s why I think the internet has helped immensely with communication. It truly has … even when it comes down to people in war torn countries trying

to show that they are human beings to countries that are attacking them. The internet helps. But bottom line is you have to keep trying to communicate. I think so often we would see that there is no threat to man ultimately

except for his fear to communicate.

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whoa !!!

points to boris

kudoz to the dali Lama

ha la la to the litigators

are they not the…

alo

tho the kid may have been saved from a life o’ buse

from the contracting menipulaters

in the corperate mire,

or perhaps E will get a better contract

with a place that cuts creds for

time in the slamma

at any rate

destiny is served

and a well set up line can still make the wave…

best to the kid and his trials

that will not just be before the bench

…ambrose…

where’s me powdered wig

I wanna put it on

and look in the mirror

and practice making faces

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I don’t necessarily think the jail time is unjust. I think not only was the boy stupid to have done such a violent act, but what is amazing is the victim here says that he would never

even have gone to court had the boy come and admitted remorse. It says the legal counsel for the boy supposedly advised not to.

Well of course legal counsel advises no communication!! Legal counsel and court room proceedings feed off of human beings NOT communicating!

What we have here is not just a failure to communicate…it’s a failure to take responsibility, which is endemic to modern society. You say you are amazed that the victim would have dropped the matter had the punk taken responsibility…what is the difference between the victim and the criminal? The victim works for a living, and the criminal is a semi-world class pro surfer. And the sentence is light - the punk stabs a guy in the neck and gets 18 months, suspended after 6.

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After the jury of eight women and four men delivered the verdict, Kimmins told his defence team that his sponsorship with a surf clothing company was "being torn up

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Screw him! Who does this prick think he is?

"Sooner or later

it all gets real"

-N. Young

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Yes you are quite right.

#19 on my list of 45 rules of the Dalai Lama’s is

Remember the three R’s. Respect for yourself. Respect for others. Responsibility for your actions.

And sometimes my wording does not mean what I mean. By amazed I meant I was quite in awe of the compassion that the Byron Bay oyster farmer Dru Baggaley, exhibited in his statement.

It’s sad that I have to reference my sheet of 45 rules … but what is amazing is that in the last 5 years it has bettered me as a person I think. It is not due to bad parents, I had the best - but being an addict for 40 years allowed me to find holes and “shortcuts” that ultimately as your quote of Neil Young’s says

“Sooner or later it all gets real”

-N. Young

Thank you for that.

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i agree nels

he totally deserves it

unless of course it was selfdefense

our society tolerates even glorifies violent crimes

unless

the victim ends up in hospital or dies

new zealand has one of the highest reported violent crime rates in the world per capita

try and get a cop when you need one

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unless of course it was selfdefense

our society tolerates even glorifies violent crimes

unless

the victim ends up in hospital or dies

Boris - yes I did get what you meant by amazed…very old school I guess…new school would be to get a lawyer and sue the surfwear manufacturers who sponsor the attacker.

Yes, self defense is a basic right…one currently under attack in the politically correct modern world…the one which glorifies violence 24/7 unless it sees a situation that can be exploited for max $$$. In the U.S. we have a classic example: American Pro Football, where if two players have a disagreement, one hits or pushes another, and then the other retaliates, it invariably is the guy retaliating for an attack who gets penalized. If two or more guys are swinging away, the television networks won’t put it on camera - leaving the best shots for their news divisions. Massive hypocrisy.

Of course, the victim in this particular case was stabbed in the neck and back…

And in the sporting world surfing is the worst of all when it comes to dealing with violence and criminals. Check your brains at the door, let’s go surfin!

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unless

the victim ends up in hospital or dies

sad…but true. a couple weeks ago my handicapped little brother was violently attacked and robbed. cops came, and were even provided with a direct means to identify the people who did it…but will not investigate the matter. cop said that “unless someone gets raped or killed, we just don’t give a shit”. welcome to our world. this was, of course, after they harassed and threatened me for about 30 minutes (funny, how they have time for that, but can’t track down violent criminals?!). maybe it’s necessary for all people to stop holding back their animal instinct for violent action. those charged with our protection are in fact little more than glorified meter maids, spending their days writing tickets for speeding and parking, and we arm them with weapons only to facilitate their harassment of law-abiding citizens? i often wonder which is a greater danger to “society” as a whole – the people who attacked and robbed my little brother? or the cops who answered the 911 call?

if this is our world, i’m moving to the moon.

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Yes, the society and culture is messed up.

People sue looking for someone who has the $buck, instead of looking inwardly.

What will change things?

Answer, what always changes things, a debilitating war ,that brings people closer and

more dependent on each other.

Its in our future and on the horizon.

Its always God’s remedy for these kind of things.

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God has nuthin’ to do with it,

What is it with you seppos and war - it’s your answer to everything