"completing" the fish template

has anyone taken a fish template and continued the curve into a rounded pin and if so, with what results?

You’d get a really old design board, like around mid '70’s, with WP waaay forwards, wide nose, narrow gunny tail, making for long drawn out turns and not the best wave catching for it’s length.

Good for mini guns in big, powerful waves.

We mentally traced the outline out to a pin from our 5’8 and 5’9 twin keel fishes…the holdng power of the Lis fish in larger surf made even more sense when we created this mental template of a seven foot pintail. Don’t know if this actually has any basis in hydro and design theory, but it makes sense to us.

Yes! The outline kneeriders saw many moons ago,Plus,when you lay a pair of XL duckfeet in the water they paddle just like a 7ft board also :). Try it ,I have been doing it nonstop for 35 yrs.In good size surf , with all that speed you can draw any line you wish. A Lis fish at speed on your knee’s will ride as big as you can paddle into and draw vey long lines or pump in the tube. A fish is nowhere near it’s potential until it is really moving.

Roughly what size board do you kneeride Lis outline fish? I kneerode a few yesterday on my 5’11 Mandala canard quad and it felt pretty good, but I imagine that’s maybe a little big? I plan on taking my 5’8 twin keel out with swim fins and also taking the 5’11 to Puerto Rico soon, waves there can get decent size and usually always have some juice even if it’s smaller, maybe stand up on lefts and half stand / half kneel on the rights…thoughts?

Hey Dub,

as far as I can see, you’ll be sweet with your quad in bigger waves. I’m not quite sure how your fin setup works (does it have a tendency to slide out, or is it very solid and positive?). I ride a 5’10 twin keel (175lbs 6’1), and I went marginally larger on my fins before a recent trip to Indo ( from 6 3/4 x 4 3/4 to 7 x 5), and it made a big difference. The board went very well in solid overhead waves.

So if you have a pair of slightly larger fins, take them with you. What’s the position of your double foiled back fins, by the way?

Good luck with your PR trip.

Dubstar- a 5ft 8 will work fine. I know Rich Pavel and Lis put the keel fins further back ( 5-6 inches from trailing edge) on kneeboards.A fish kneeboard is ridden more on the tail and leaning forward grabbing outside rail for buried rail turns(classic fish style).Driving a fish this way ,it can be ridden in very large surf.Try it , you will be hooked!! Taking off a grinding wave lean with hands pressing on deck and sitting on tail drive straight down and bury the rail at the base and coming off the bottom you will fly through unmakable tubes. same on cutbacks grab outside rail and bury it! Impossible to spin out on a fish kneeboard!!Anyway that’s about it . Have fun!

thanks guys, I was just about to 'bubble" this to the top…

I am working on a similar board and had some thoughts/questions. With the fish outline pulled in at the tail, wouldn’t some down line speed be lost? Also, could a fish outline with a rounded pin work with a large flex single fin?

It’s all just a bunch of curved lines.Don’t fixate on them,create them in your mind,then …

Templates are for mortals.Herb

Dude, you’re getting close to a McCoy Nugget outline, needing a big fin, or winged fin, multi fin, or even MORE fins to hold that tail in.

Less surface area in the tail is not necessarily slower, or faster. Depends on wave speed and size, eh?

Slow waves, you need more surface.

Fast waves, you need less for control, leading to YOU being able to get more speed.