check breather in bag…
and some more…
well with progress like that , looks like we will be setting up in japan sooner rather than later …
im seriously impressed …
thats initiative…
regards
BERT
also pinhead nice work …
and thanks to speedy for keeping the secrets and doing the tricky bits while pinhead wasnt looking …
Wow, Jimmy! I like it all - the boards, the fins, the gloss, the shed…well, maybe I could do without the snow 
What do you gloss with? I’m still working that one out, but it looks like you’ve found something good…
Thanks for the photos.
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I think the only way to do something like this would be to form a global collective of Swaylockers and tackle all of the above together. Collective R&D (both materials and shapes) and collective marketing.
wouldn’t that be a great idea , and use of this forum !
riding each others shapes , providing feedback , working together …
Now I’m getting really concerned! First the use of epoxy and now I’m finding more and more threads that I’m agreeing with you. Something is very, very wrong! A group approach would sure would be a quicker way to cut through all the b.s. and find out what really works.
HOw about this outline Blakestah, I just picked this board up last week. All I can say about this board is holly SH*T is is fast nimble and just an all around performer. It even lets you get up to the nose. Calvani is a genious. CHeck the picture and let the drooling commence.
Chicksav
I had a Surfboards Hawaii board with the same outline in 1968. It was my first surfboard and I have old picture too I would have to scan to show you. It was white no paint $60.00 new 7/10.
Jimmy,
Man I’m impressed too - beautiful shapes - nice shed!. It looks like Bert may have his eye on you for his global collective. I think you’d be very well placed to do well with this. Compsand has a lot of properties that suit Japanese waves and the balsa look will appeal. Also being bi-lingual, you can tap into the best of what’s happening in and out of Japan - I’d imaging there’d be some amazing materials available.
I think you can go a lot lighter with your materials. You don’t have to build a new board to test a new combo of materials. All you need is a compsand board that you like, to benchmark off. Make a panel say 24"X8"x1" EPS with 4mm wide balsa down the long sides to simulate rails. Then bag on your skins and glass. Use the same eps/glass/balsa mix you used in your benchmark board. Then you need to test for load, flex return and dent resistance ie bend the panal and see how quickly it springs back. Maybe find an engineering student with access to a test lab to help you out or maybe some Swaylockers could come up a backyard testing system. (Greg Loehr’s one for compressive strength is to place your material on a bathroom scale and push something pointy into it and note the weight at which the material holes.)
Next you do a bunch of panals with different material mixes - start with your benchmark but add more glass to the rails, check what load is require to achive the same deflection as the first test, then build other panals and see what happens say .75# eps, thinner balsa, more glass, Airex, core-cell etc Then you can extrapolate from your benchmark panal test results - you can estimate what a lighter guy will need, what rocker will suit a particular material mix etc.
When I get my space happening this is what I’m going to do before I build another board.
If you’re ever planning a trip to Victoria - let me know.
Bert, I’m happy that I could impress YOU since I’m inspired by you! Feels good to hear words like that from someone youre looking up to.saw an article about your surfburgers for the first in the japanese surfmags.They’re talking lot about other boards than pu/pe since clarks closure.
When will I be able to see your boards in japan? I’ve seen one of your sunova longboards though.
Benny, I gloss with twopart urathane. Thin it out a little and spray it on with a spraygun.
Looks excellent in photo,but you can actually see the sandingswirls that the 240 grit paper left even after two layers…I think bert was talking about spraying over 150 grit…hmmm maybe if I dont thin it out it’ll come out better.
Pinhead, I (my wife to be honest) have also thought about testpanels and think I will do it.
But here in japan it’s hard to get small quantities of diferrent cloth, they only sell in large quantities.
So guess I’ll have to order from Fiberglass supply or somewhere else. Or could ask glassers around where I live but they usually dont have anything lighter than 4oz.
I’d love to use one of the more flexible RR resins but the japanese distributor only stock RR 2000.(Greg loher if your’re reading can you do something about this?)
I could use system three SB-112 since I’ve found that to be more flexible than RR 2000, but it’s quite expensive here in Japan.
Jimmy yoshio shibata
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But here in japan it’s hard to get small quantities of diferrent cloth
Tokyu Hands?
Ahh, forgot about Tokyu hands.
Why do you know about Tokyu hands? ever been to Japan?
Jimmy.
Jimmy,
I lived in Tokyo for a couple of years. My wife and I moved to Melbourne 10 years ago to buy a house and have kids. I have two beautiful 1/2 Japanese 1/2 kiwi kids - 2 and 4 years old. They just spent a couple of weeks in Kyushu with their grandparents - they got to play in snow for the first time. Tokyu hands was my favourite store in Tokyo - so much cool stuff in there - I remember seeing some glass cloth - they might have some light weights. Otherwise you’ll have to hook up with some model airplane otaku. Must be online forums for those guys.
hey pinhead
crazy
my wifes japanese as well. we got a 8 month old daughter.
far out what a coinki dink
Silly
Your talk of Haumoana brings back memorable sessions there in the late 80s. Catching the bar in good form before word got round and getting it 2-3 days to yourself. Waipatiki and Tongoia beach were worth keeping an eye on too. Always liked the variety of breaks in and around the Bay…
ha ha my wifes japanese too… just had our second and third duaghter at the same time… twins 9 weeks early…
best luck mate…the first year is tough…the sheer volume of drudgery is unbelievable… after that…they enertain each other quite alot …which kinda takes the pressure off…hope you’re sleeping…
Dave’s the odd one out, he’s not riding a compsand.
I hope your daughter’s not called Mia that’d be spooky.
Your boards look really great. I trying to see if I can make somewhat of a living doing compsand boards as well, so it’s encouraging to see others doing the same. You mentioned not using 4 oz. under the wood. You really need it, at least under the deck. One of my early boards had a 1/4" thick deck with no glass under it and when I did any kind of hard turn, I could hear the wood cracking under my back foot. The glass under the wood is like a hammock that holds the wood together under downward pressure. Also I use stringerless 1 lb. EPS and know what you mean about it being hard to shape. I found that it’s easier to shape if you have it positioned sideways in the racks as much as you can, so it’s not flexing like a wet noodle every time you pass over the racks. -Jeff
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Hi Jeff, I’m happy you like my boards. I am using cloth under the wood,it’s a japanese made s-cloth 3.5 oz.
kind of tricky to handle cause it’s so thin. but really good I think. I’ve tried several thicknesses of balsa under the main balsa for reinforcement in high traffic areas and am thinking to try out corecell,honeycombcoremat etc for reinforcement.
but the balsa is holding up pretty well for the moment. And I have gone from 1.5#EPS to 1#EPS for shortboards for more flex. And I really think I’m in need for the more flexier resin research epoxy, they just dont stock it here in japan.
I hope you really good luck if your going into buisiness because it’s kind of tough making a living out of it…
pictures of latest shortboard attached.
Jimmy yoshio shibata
wow yoshio thats a cool design
Is it traditional mon
i have a visual glossary with a fair few of those lying around somewhere
did you do it with posca or is it a fleece?