Cork deck feedback

This board was shaped by Jason Rodd at JR surfboards and built by Kane Barrie (Resin Reserach here in OZ) at The Ding Shop. It was only finished last Friday, then put to a good test all weekend in pumping waves at Dbah. It sat in the sun most of the day, and made the semi finals of the MP Classic. Deck has minimal denting, and it is super light and really strong. Eps/carbon/cork all in Resin Research Epoxy. The new formulas are super clear and hold their bright iceblue look very well. Everyone at the contest that checked it out were frothing. More to come..........



how thick is the cork layer?

apart from ease of use (as a guess), what are the benefits of cork over say balsa, bamboo or paulownia as a deck veneer?

thanks,

Scot

Yeah kane boy!!! Board looks sick. Scot, to answer your question; cork has more flex than bamboo in the finished board, won’t wick water if exposed like any timbers, doesn’t kill the tree, less expensive than even bamboo, and on and on. I’ve done nearly 1,000 carbon bamboo boards, and was all for 'em, but after a few cork decks, and the feedback I’m getting from them, I’m a believer. Anybody here in the states that wants to give it a shot please call me, I have plenty. Drew.(904) 347-8879.

TDS, that's a really cool looking board!

TDS and/or Drewtang, what weight foam for core and what schedule glass job? Not being snide, but what's the advantage of cork vs. a regular glass job? I'm new to the vacuum bagging scene and always open to alternatives.

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I use 1.5# in everything. I don’t know what kane did on that one, but mine get double 4 oz bottoms, 4oz under, 4oz over decks. Team boards are 2oz under, 4oz over decks. the cork comes in 1.2 or 2mil. I’ve used mostly the 2mil. The “nl 20” we’re using is 13lb. Density. The rad thing is it’s 48" wide so you can do 2 decks, or a sup with one length. Balsa guys will like not butting anything.

Thanks Drew, but why cork? Is it a little more dent resistant?

It’s a sandwich. Thicker lighter lamination. Guys use all kinds of core material to make a sandwich; balsa, bamboo, veneer, pvc foams, etc. I definitely think corecork will rise to the top of that list.

That sounds very cool. Just did a quick google search and it looks like the cork is pretty cheap compared to the wood veneers as well.

Is the carbon necessary for giving the board the necessary stiffness? My guess is the cork alone wouldnt be enough.

Thanks for posting, its got me thinking.

 

Cheers,

Scot

 

Here’s a pic of a roll. And another Corktech.


Nice looking board.  What is the order of the sandwich layering?  Are you vac. bagging the cork directly to the foam, and then glassing over it?  Does the cork suck up much resin?

Sweid; that board was 4oz under the cork, bagged (light, like 8"), prepped with a good ol’ d.a. then 4oz over. If you don’t put cloth between the core and the sandwich mtl then its not a composite. I think you could hand lam the 1.3mm but here’s my theory on that… under Vac the resin fills in any gaps between cork nuggets, like perf pvc’s or coremat, making “resin bolts”. When you prep there is a film of resin that came through in the bag, that sands off and leaves the cork exposed (hint; makes killer traction like that, I made a casting platform for my boat like this) and you glass over. Easy. And no, the cork doesn’t suck up resin, everybody asks this and I say, “no, its made out of.cork, the same stuff they make corks with”:slight_smile:

like the idea think i may have to give that ago on a hollow board as it would probably contour alot easier than pvc. what application is the cork normally used for? were did you come across it on a roll? many thanks

Where can you buy this NL-20 stuff?  I don't see it for sale on E-Bay, or any other websites.  The local TH&H store has a big roll of 48" wide cork for sale, but it is way too thick.

Check out corecork.amorim.com

From Drew's link, here's the U.S. distributor:

http://www.corecomposites.com/composites/core/cork/

…hello Drewtang,

I wonder if with cork or coremat, etc the performer find kind of a “cushioning effect” on the ride, I mean, everytime the rider put pressure on the board

I know that you are very confident with those boards, but I expect for an honest fair answer.

 

-also, Is there a problem with the wax an hot days?

 

thanks

Brilliant.    Sent you a PM. Give me best time to call with time zone…

Haha, I like that. Here’s the honest, fair response. This tech is very new for us. I’m building a bunch, and honestly haven’t been surfing much SO I’m basing most of my faith in these on rider feedback. Kane’s success with his board that started this thread.was.a big deal for.me. my best team guy is on one everyday in Nicaragua. That board is one that has to be a go to in good waves, everyday, for 6 months straight, so there is a lot of pressure. Plus d-lite is one of those rare, no b.s., no tailpad, rail surfers who actually tells me right away when something’s shit. He loves his. You can see glimpses on nicaraguasurfreport.com from time to time.
Also saw a good pic of him the other day on surfaricharters.com.

Ok, here’s what I was looking for; a core that was nearly flex neutral, easy to work with, didn’t wick water, took compression well, cost effective, and looks tits. I found it. Yep, it gets hot. If you can take care of a normal eps board then its no big deal. I’ll do a translucent pearl tint over my new board to test it, works well on bamboo so I’m pretty confident, just another step…but what’s more steps at this point???

Well stated. I PM’ed you my take on it and why it makes a ton of sense with EPS. The guys that haven’t done much with these cores won’t see the potential merit. 

It has a lot to do with cost effective energy management. IOW, do you want to spend a small fortune on each and every board trying to make it bullet proof with a rigid reinforcement that eventually breaks, or do you find something else like… cork that can absorb shock and recover?

The main concern I have is the ability for the cork to stay laminated to the skins. Since it is early on with this material, if there is enough interest, people will try different approaches that will produce varying degrees of success in application. 

As always, it is a case of lead, follow, or get out of the way.

No doubt many Swaylockinas will try to reinvent the wheel on this opportunity. 

I love it when something affordable and relatively low tech comes on Sways that stands to upset peoples’ apple carts.

Don’t think too hard, it’ll give ya a head ache.

Because the cork is impermeable? So no glue can soak into it?