Credit where Credit is Due

General Discussion
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there’s been four siginificant events in the last decade contributing to my current addiction to home based board making. 

The first was taking a “build your own” composite class from Charlie Price (CMP) back in 2003-2004 where he walked me through making my first “composite” structure, a balsa skinned, cnc shaped Jeff Alexander approved PU Gemini with RedX quads. Hooking up with Charlie was the single greatest thing I could’ve done to learn hands on from one of the best wood skinners in the business. To this day I still think he is liek Gary Young years ahead of what everyone else is doing.

 

The second was Shwuz convincing me to come over to this place called Swaylocks from the Surfer Magazine Design Forum where folks where a little more open to new ideas than the Al Mimic chip and dip crowd At Surfer.

 

The third was  the famous Bert Burger Vacuum Forming Post back around 2004 that introduced us to perimeter rails and 1lb EPS foam

 

But the fourth and biggest was my acquisition of this obscure video I picked up at Fiberglass Hawaii around the same time from a sailboard builder in British Columbia called Tom Sullivan. It confirmed what Greg, Bert, and Holly was saying about how far behind the surfboard building industry was in comparison to other sports especially sailboards. This 1997 non longer in print video taught me more about the basics of vacuum board building than most of the stuff I’ve read here because to this day the principles discussed is still core to the process. Sure Greg, Bert and others have added their two cents here but between what Tom showed me on his video and what Charlie taught my brother and I about being efficient I think its safe to say that what they had to say was all you really needed.

Out of respect for these teachers and respect to Tom’s unrecognized contribution, I’ll TEMPORARILY post these clips of his video as inspiration to others and to show what was happening back in 1996-1997, yes, thats 12 years ago… Live Aloha-Make your Own-And Buy Local

 

 

Rocker Templating

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5olABx7uKOg

 

Making Hotwire Cutters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIdwQ_6HJZk

 

 

Hotwiring Your Blank

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHQZ_cbz7uM

 

Hotwiring your Outine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI5AxAn2qmI

 

Rocker Table Basics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUZjjT6q8zE

 

Epoxy Basics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz3TVAURylg

 

Bagging the Dcell Bottom Skin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcqrvH-8rWY

 

Removing the Blank

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl22DBLYhj8

 

Cutting the Outline and Railbands

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VqB2OHQRHo

 

Finish Shaping

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPnuK3G7IdA

 

Building and Bagging the Deck Skin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJXIBxwfBmw

 

Sanding and Glassing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e--l42tTKQ

 

Glassing the Board

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn7XfhC7JJI

 

Bagging the Glass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_EjkWfuHwA

 

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That’s a tasty breakfast.

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Somebody please save these and put them in the resource section! Seeing as the video is A. no longer available and B.12 years old I don’t see a problem with anybody passing this knowledge onto the internet. But I could be wrong

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i love the videos, just like i loved bammbamm808 his glassing video

thanks B ! keep em up at least a week or two.

 

oh, edit for some BONUS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVM10yr4Ut4&feature=channel

 

 

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Another example of the Aloha (generosity) of Oneula, in the shareing of really valuable information.

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No credit necessary, Bernie, I did it completely out of self-interest.  I knew the ERbb wasn't the best place for you to be contributing, and I know that sways is richer for your presence here.

 

And yes, I couldn't agree more wholeheartedly, Oneula is the absolute definition of stoke and aloha.

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i bet if you factor in the need to acquire, build and glue up the stringer

it comes out close..

especially making stringers from scratch

 

this is what charlie/cmp taught us..

use a close tolerant blank and have it CNC shaped

bring it home clean it up and bag some wood on it

if you seal it well with glass/epoxy as you bag on 3/32-1/8 light wood skins

then you can just glass the outside with UV and finish with a clear poly coat

use a breather and perf release to take away the excess resin as you bag on the skins

use glass over boxes like ofishl before glassing or straight through like redx when you are done for strength and simplicity no inserts needed if you start with a PU blank or use redx boxes.

This was in 2004 and he said he had been doing his thing for around 10 years before we met him.

 

Then Bert's post come along and I got all excited and started over building

 

timberflex skin over a shaped PU was the answer all along

glass it in epoxy for strength or in UV for simplicity

with pre made timberflex skins

its board in a box to go

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Awesome thread, but my god, the amount of labour!

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Thanks for putting those clips up.  I have the VHS tape but I’m going burn a DVD of them in case the tape breaks.

I should point out that in GL’s WMD thread he also gives a tip of the hat to these guys but notes that the number of steps involved in that build method are many.  The WMD method is is sort of a hybrid or perhaps the next level.  But, with far far fewer steps, even considering that it was a sailboard with PVC deck and bottom.  Again, standing on the shoulders of those who came before.

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Man, what a great post.  Thanks a lot for sharing!

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Just a heads up

out of respect to the owner of this property, I am going to delete the sources of the links in a couple of days.

For those that got a chance to watch them

I hope there was something gained in doing so

For those interested in the contents of the original video

you might want to try and get a hold of Victoria Video Productions in British Columbia and see if they are interested in re=lreasing the video, "Vacuum Bag Board Building Techniques with Tom Sullivan" in DVD. And yes Tom is the chubby fellow doing the demo there's even a shot of him in a wetsuit with his sailboard in the beginning, what a way to start off the show...

Fiberglass Supply in Washington State used to carry it

but I believe it is no longer available.