First off Hey, I’m new to the board, I’m 15 and have been interested in shaping for a little while and am finally going to take the plunge. I have been soaking in as much info as I can on here, thanks to all you guys, and am gonna buy the vids. So, more on my question, can anyone tell me how the Master Shaping Series (Demascus Productions) compares to John Carper’s: Shaping 101 series. In terms of which one is easy to understand, has the most information and instruction etc. Thanks alot Bukkshot
P.S.-Does the Master shaping series have shaping and glassing both covered on that one video?
You should get both. The 101 will be more useful for shaping your first few boards. The Damascus video taps into a master craftsman’s knowledge and he’ll show you how he uses his tools. Neither video includes glassing. Both outfits have glassing videos,too. I recommend the Damascus video for glassing. The JC video will get you through your first board, too. Good luck and have fun. Mike
Thanks, I think that I’ll get both of jc’s vids for now,seeing as how the are about the same price together as the shaping one of the master shaping series. Thanks for the advice
Forced at gunpoint with minimum budget and only a mild desire to learn shaping, I’d go with both of the 101 series by Carper. HOWEVER, if you’re serious about learning, you may just not get the results you’re after on the first blank or two in the initial process unless you make an “investment” in your schooling by taking the plunge and getting professor Phillips’ master series.
Wait for now on the master glassing video or have a local glass master do your first few boards and just concentrate on the shaping since it seems that’s what you’re after. In fact if you can possibly look at it financially with the “investment” in schooling in mind, I’d get both Carper’s and Phillip’s video. You’ll find yourself watching the master series over and over and then studying it again. Sooo, your money, but i’d try to steer you into saving for the real set of tools (videos).
One thing the others have not brought up - Shaping 101 concentrates on a shortboard while The Master Shaper focusses on a longboard. At 15, I assume you’ll be shaping a shortboard, so 101 might be where you spend your money first (as you have already indicated). In saying that, and also as a guy just about to shape board #3, The Master Shaper is also well worth the money.
Seriously Bukk, how do I make a cool moving icon. Did you use your paint program?
Thanks John, weather that be good or bad.
Actually Plus1 a guy on a website (snipershide, shooting stuff) that my dad looks at had it as his avatar, so i took it and used it, so sorry i don’t know how it was made so i can’t help.
thanks everyone for your input, i think i’m gonna plan on buying shaping 101 and also the master glassing video. Bukky
First Point, Re: “have a master glasser do your first couple of boards so you can concentrate on shaping”. I disagree. If you wait to try glassing until you’re shaping our some decent boards you’re not going to want to botch that beautiful shape with a rookie glass job. Start now, the glassing will match your shaping
The Carper video’s are fine to get you started, expecially if you’re just making shortboards. It’s not that much of an investment, so if you decide you really like shaping you won’t feel it was much of a waste when you go buy the Damascus flicks.
There are several programs that can make animated GIFs. Adobe has ImageReady, and I believe that Macromedia’s Fireworks matches suit. But there are plenty of freeware/shareware programs that will work. However, it looks like in yours, someone took a video of a guy beating another, and superimposed the heads of Saddam and Stupid on top… that’s a little more complicated that animating cartoons.
Hey rKelly… I do animated GIFs with video clips …make the edition with Adobe Premiere and the special effects with Adobe After Effects… export the clip as an animated GIF…
Seems to me you’ve got to choose what it is YOU do. Most of the shapers I know (in fact all) farm out their glass work. Since glassing is a totally different art many guys specialize based on needs, economics, but mostly on what their personal trip is in this whole thing. Sure some guys do it all which is great if you’re set up and want a one stop does all for customers, but for a guy age 15 who says he wants to learn shaping, I still say learn to shape first, have a glasser do your boards. Later if you decide you still have interest and also have a bent toward learning how to glass, then start that learning curve when you get there. My advice to any young guy is go for it, but walk before you run. Mainly, just enjoy the ride!
I think you should learn to do it all. Shape,color, laminate. Everyone wants to be a shaper. It’s more “glamorous.” My advice is to know the whole process. Learning to laminate might make you a better shaper in the long run,and save you about 100 bucks per board. Mike
Sure some guys do it all which is great if you’re set up and want a one stop does all for customers, but for a guy age 15 who says he wants to learn shaping, I still say learn to shape first, have a glasser do your boards.
Exactly my point… I don’t expect anyone in production to do it all. I’m sure there are those that do, but that is inefficient (Thank you Henry Ford). However, I don’t think that anyone at 15 who has never shaped a board is looking at going into production by Christmas. How would you like to be a professional glasser that works for a shaper that doesn’t understand glassing in any way? I think a basic knowledge of the entire process is important. Later, if you decide you jusr want to be a shaper (as I’m sure many do), go for it, and just concentrate on shaping. But for the first few, unless space or Moms or roomates prohibit it, glass a few boards.
Yeah, I forgot to mention turning video into GIF’s… a little different process, that uses different programing. I think that the only reason that is done is because of the wide-spread proliferation of the animated GIFs on the web. Technically GIF is a poor platform for the detail that you get in video. The original animated GIFs were just cartoons or advertisement banners with wording.
yes…by all means …do it all. it will make you a more well rounded “crafts person”. sure your first few boards will look like “smeg” but your learning and mistakes are o.k. as long as you learn from them and do not panic over it.
the carper vids give you a process that will work just fine for any board. concentrate on the process and not the finished product. if you do your process patiently and step by step…take your time (not someone else’s) you will do well and the end will take care of itself. and by all means have fun with it…play some old surf guitar music while your doing it…stay lose and relaxt…“its just a game dude …dosnt stress”.
cheers!
p.s.
your first and most important investment should be the best reperator you can possibly get.
Thanks to all you guys for your input. I’m gonna work hard so I can order the Master Shaper/Glasser vids., and hopefully get started soon. Thanks again. Bukky
