"They will challenge and question to determine your credibility and sincerety."
Have a great day.
Greg
Greg,
I drop in perdiodically to skim the board design forum on Surfer magazine, specfically in hopes of seeing some new board photos and design thoughts from yourself, Barnfield, and Stretch et. al…and occasionally, for a low brow chuckle, from the well known boat builder from down under…(beats TV)…
And after having “watched” you in action for a while, gotta say you play a complex game.
You love to post new pictures of boards for riders you claim rave over them. When asked about some design features, however, if you respond at all, it’s in vague terms, as if the over riding priority is to protect your secret sauce…
When you post templates of your fins, you make finite statements about their design, then tend to retreat when extra knowledgable folks like Stretch begin to advance their own thoughts and challenge yours…
And now you drop threads from Surfer on Sway’s with no reference comment why, then retreat when someone voices their perspective - which is after all the main driver for a design forum - with obviously offended feelings.
So it’s easy to understand why some folks think you only post to self-publicize, and are only time invested in showing your stuff, then shut it down on any perceived push-back.
Your boards look super clean and functional, your fins highly evolved down your particular design path. However, the one truth in surfing and surfboards is that there is no one truth. Everything works in some fashion or another, it’s just that some designs work better in specific conditions then others. Half the fun is figuring out the why of it, the other half is riding different boards that provide different grins.
Barnfield states frequently “I’m just an average surfer trying to make a decent surfboard” (fair to say he is a bit more then that) within the board design posts showcasing his newest models, and always engages and responds to forum comments with a positivity that encourages further design discussion.
Maybe it’s time, Greg, you trying riding a new model yourself…you might get more grins out of it…
Hey GG, these guys should just ride the damn fins. But that might be to much to ask....
lcc
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"You love to post new pictures of boards for riders you claim rave over them. "
I post the customs i make for my customers.
They respond to how they work. Not CLAIM.
This is your spin of what is being done.
I dont want to deal with this spinning of every thing that is said and done.
Thats why i only say a little as it will always be spun just like what you are doing now.
Welcome to Sways or is it Surfer.
My first comments were directed at some of the Magazine Surfer comments. Should I generalize and take the comments you made above personally (?) – I don’t think so. I believe I said you have some interesing points and I like your fin template.
Don’t think I accused you of anything. Some made comments that probably could have been worded better. In fairness, a thread that is a link to a thread on an unpopular forum isn’t the best way to start a discussion.
Nice fins just the same. I thought your posting templates, that anybody could copy now, was class.
I didn’t get much info in response to my own first thread. But, there are many other good people and threads here. Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.
I am and have been interested in your work. If you take your ball now, nobody can play for sure.
Disney World should be fun… enjoy.
Again
This quote is not how it was written.
More spinning
This quote was in reference to sertin comments and not yours
Its so easy to follow
Stretch knows way more than i so i need go no further
Thanks
Again
This quote is not how it was written.
More spinning
This quote was in reference to sertin comments and not yours
Its so easy to follow
Stretch knows way more than i so i need go no further
Thanks
I make a concerted effort not to spin. Just making a comment. I said I don’t believe your remarks were aimed at me.
Suit yourself.
Thanks for the fin template.
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Now, I'm disappointed as well.
LOL…yea, granddad spinmeister here…it’s your choice…hang in, keep a sense of humour, expand more on what you know because a lot of folks are truly interested…or get all huffy, make exit pronouncements and…exit
after all, t’s just surfboard talk…
More drama than needed…
Copy and paste please…
I thought this was going to be a thread loaded with fin templates/pictures and esoteric hydrodynamic theory. Especially when I saw it was already 4 pages long with 35 replies.
Buns and ketchup … where’s the beef?!
The internet is not reality. G.G. is a credible shaper and knows a thing or two about design. Surfer Forum is loaded with meatheads who seemingly like to engage in junior high style bickering, boasting and one-upmanship. Fuk Man! It's only surfing. Contrary to popular belief surfboards are toys. Oh yeah, surfing is supposed to be fun. Enjoy it because you never know when a simple twist of fate can take it all away. Speaking from experience. Personally I was stoked to see Greg posting here. Now It Has Turned To Garbage. Did'nt take long either.
Did find one of the nicest blue acrylic paints in over twenty years last week. Made my day to see a new pinline.
Note: surfboards go beyond being toys in life or death waves. Who here has ridden any of that lately? Not me.
R.I.P. Sion
Mister Griffin,
Why do you let the 10% down because 90% is bullshit?
Go for the bit you like, rave about the facts, the ride, the fins.
You sound like you are tired with the world, maybe i understand.
But don’t you have to eat shit surfing North shore waves just to get that 1 big tube?
Not tired of the world.
Building new friends and reuniting with old ones.
I dont need any more negativity and within the first 3 posts there it was.
Lots of personal attacks after.
Having a great time on my Downhill bike and 3 new boards in the making.
More fun daily.
My design is in those threads i posted.
Just filter out the rest.
Greg
Greg,
I’ll come out and say it.
You are a crybaby.
I was the first of the “first three posts”. Here it is again…
"I hate surfer mag BB jut for what I saw there. An argument of no substance.
What I’d really like is the makers thoughts on what he is doing and
why. Tell us about your design. A bunch of monkeys on Surfer
anonymously bitch at each other."
Now go read what that bunch over there are posting, and see if I’m not right.
Greg, Huck was right also. You are more interested in exposure than discussion. Swaylocks is a discussion forum. Don’t post here if you don’t want to discuss! Otherwise it’s just advertising.
We all asked about you thoughts on your designs, and all we got back was bitching about negativity, and insults like, “I can teach you nothing”. And you come out and slam me and say that I’m negative. Well at least now I can add to my resume that I’ve been insulted by the great Greg Griffin!
Greg, in all the posts I’ve read from you, you never explain anything! It’s always look at my board, It is the best…
Climb down off your mountain. Yes your s**t does stink, just like ours.
This is what i said 7 posts down
You were supportive but i wasn’t complaining about the Surfer posts just using the info i put on them to get interest.
It refers to nothing you said and Slams you in no way does it?
This type of comment is the same as Surfer.
Makes me wonder if exposure of his product is maybe higher on the priority list than an argument of substance, or intelligent conversation, or whatever you want to call it.
I can teach you nothing.
Immediate attitude stops my going any further.
Thanks
Those posts have my fin template concept in them and i thought it would be good here but was’nt
Wow I can’t believe I read through 5 pages of this crap. Why does every thread with the possibility of actually learning something turn into a complete clusterfuck?
. . . yawn
Let me see if I can do this. I think I have it …
"I am off to work
Discuss what you see
Typical template
Mine
Overlay of the 2
Fin area is more pressurized when moved rearward , less when moved forward.
Cord length is the measure of this.
The trailing edge of my template moves up and back at a determend rate increasing pressure as it moves back.
This pressure stays attached to the fin at all times as i want it to.
The leading edge moves back at a rate that reduces the cord length-surface area- to release the increased pressure as i want in its design.
In the end i have a fin that from base to tip works as one lifting-planing and releasing surface at all speeds and pressures.
With the other fin - somewhat the standard design.
The rear edge moves forward reducing lift and pressure as well as cord length reduction- shutting it down.
Then the rear edge curves rear ward gaining pressure and increasing cord length at the same time countering any release and many other desirable features.
Its a 3 part fin
Base
Forward middle
And larger tip area placed back in a higher pressure area.
Its just a rudder at this point .
Lots more but discuss this for now.
Greg "
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I come in Peace.
Edited by griffinsurfboard (02/24/11 08:27 PM)
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Thanks for posting that Stoneburner