This was my first attempt at this.
It is a very simple concept that is working very well.
I hate surfer mag BB jut for what I saw there. An argument of no substance.
What I’d really like is the makers thoughts on what he is doing and why. Tell us about your design. A bunch of monkeys on Surfer anonymously bitch at each other.
I try to explain further here.
I read the first page of comments at the Magazine Surfer’s forum – then got bored. Some worthwhile points. Griffin has some interesting points.
I think Nature’s design was a point that missed the point. There is still much to learn, variable positioning and foils, or not. Dolphins and fish have multiple sets of fins in several dimensions. Some are foiled some are not. Some are more like wing foils (solid or semi-solid) some are more like the foil created by a sail (thin, flexible and adjusted into the directional flow of the fluid). Some are for directional maneuvering, some for lift, some tracking, some speed control, some combinations of the previous variables.
Dolphins and fish are primarily functioning in 3-dimensions, surfboards in 2.
I guess any discussion with Roy on anything technical (or not technical also ) looses my interest. O.K. I get that fins take sideways pressure. Nothing new there.
Please explain your “simple concept that is working very well”.
I’ve also never caught what people mean when they say a fin creates lift. I know that a fin can catch water moving up the wave face, thereby pulling the tail higher. But on flat water, don’t get how the fin is making the board ride higher in the water.
I really am interested.
Hey Greg, just copy and paste your comments here and see what WE think about it…
This type of comment is the same as Surfer.
Makes me wonder if exposure of his product is maybe higher on the priority list than an argument of substance, or intelligent conversation, or whatever you want to call it.
I can teach you nothing.
Immediate attitude stops my going any further.
Thanks
I have one of Greg’s 5 fin fish, a custom made 6-0 and it’s #004 of his own label. My brother has #002, and many more. I have 2 5-fin fish, but my brother has a variety of Greg’s boards including a thruster or 2, and they go from 6-2 up to 7-4, maybe a longboard in there too. Greg makes really good high performance longboards.
My experience is that his boards are fast, they have tremendous holding power, and they are very loose. They will keep rolling on when a lot of other boards bog down. The 5 fin setup allows for a wider tail that holds like a narrow thruster, but it also creates a lot of lift. He makes his fins out of G10 so they are very stiff.
If you haven’t tried one of his boards you should. Make your own conclusion about what he’s doing. Borrow a board or a set of Greg’s fins from a friend and then see what we already know. There is some substance to what he is doing, and it’s worth checking out.
sunsetpoint, I think more than a few are interested…
My first posts here were met with as much static as help. You’ve been a member longer than me. Certainly you expected some grief.
Bail now and nobody gains. You’ll have to give discussion to get it.
BTW @ earlier post, fins generate lift because they are foils just like rails are foils (rails generate lift/“drive” also) – i.e. hard downturned rails. Place a fin at the correct angle to fluid flow and it generates lift, areas of positive and negative pressure on the fin’s surfaces. An asymmetrical fin foil creates lift also.
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Thank you, point well made.
Lots of professional shapers post here, and are appreciated and respected, even if anyone should feel free to disagree or question them. Heck, sometimes they disagree with each other! Surfding, ghettorat, Mike Daniels, Thrailkill, Barnfield, deadshaper, Jim the G., Pridemore, Yorky, McDing, Speedneedle, Balsa, etc. etc.
The only "grief" I noted was some commentary on reading on another forum, nothing directed at sunsetpoint's fin theories, which we await an explanation of. I for one would also like to hear his discussion of the five-fin cluster.
…hello
what s exactly is your first attempt?
I mean, I and lots of people made and make those types of fins or templates
In fact couple of days ago I finish a quad with the front fins very similar…
Im a believer of fin “magic”
but remember that in most of the world beaches surfers ride at very low speed so many things are not practical in reality
What?
Since I think this was directed at me, let me respond.
I said I didn’t like arguments with Roy, and that the Surfer BB is impolite. Said I’m really interested in Greg’s thoughts on his design. Said I don’t understand what he means by lift.
And for that he “can teach me nothing”?
I’m thinking this one may have been seen as less than welcoming…
I thought Huck wrote that. Maybe just a hair less than conducive to interactive dialogue.
However, it would have been helpful if sunsetpoint had given us a few ques to catalyze input.
Well, I guess it could be construed thataway, but seeing as how Paul is one of the mellowest guys around, I'm guessing more likely an open invite to post up and bring the discussion over here.
BTW, I don't recall the details, but I do seem to remember you catching some legitimate grief when you arrived, LOL. Honestly, it wasn't from me, 'tho! (was it?) Wait - its coming back now...something about a hot wire, eh?
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I'm interested too.
Nope. you never gave me grief.
Apparently surfding and Stingray (+ one or two others) didn’t want me to use the new battery charger I had sitting in my closet as a power source for a hotwire. I guess I was supposed to just go out and buy a new Variac instead. surfding deleted most of his posts on my hotwire cutter thread. surfding even carried the “grief” into the “famous quotes” thread. In all fairness, Stingray did give me at least one good link to an EPS thread.
MikeDaniel, a guy from WI or MN. somebody from Europe and one or two others tried to help.
I’ve been a member of more than a few forums and know the drill. Surfer forums do seem to be the most territorial.
Hopefully, sunsetpoint will jump back in and give us more. I like the shape of his fin template (freely given too).
hey greg if its just for your pics its worth you posting here again’
you dumbarse interjectors should go read up on your own shit before you come down on anyone else?
**the difference between some of you and greg is about 30 od yrs experience if you dont like what hes got to say **
go read micky mouse.
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sunsetpoint,
There are a lot of fiercely independent spirits here. Most seem to be committed to the free exchange and discussion of information and technology. They will challenge and question to determine your credibility and sincerety.
I think most of what you perceived as hostility towards you may have been more directed at the Magazine Surfer forum. There are more than a few who do not hold it in high esteem. It is often viewed as a vehicle of the Surfing Industrial Complex.
Many here would be interested in your work. I saw some of it years ago on another surf forum. Very nice work but, I don’t think anybody is going to beg.