Discussion of my fin template on Surfermag.com

“This template works as one surface gathering energy and releasing it
immediately to move forward down the face slightly to the side running
more water thru the fin constantly gaining speed.”

“Every thing you do in surfing is quicker, smoother, more controlled and confidence inspiring with these templates and the G-10 stiffness.”

“Board and fin design that enable regular surfers to do more will enable pros to do even more.”

My experience riding Greg’s boards for over 5 years now is that everything stated above is true. I think there may be one thing that should be noted… we are riding waves in Hawaii. There may be a difference is the power of the waves here compared to where you are. These fins work really well here, but more imporantly the combination of his fins and boards are fine tuned. Take a good look at how Greg’s board are setup. There is something going on with the fin placement and it’s important to the way the board rides. My 5 fin boards are like Ferraris compared to anything else I’ve ridden. Even in small mush, they seem to work well.

Now as a side note. Robin Mair is doing something totally different with his boards and fins, but he is a convert to G10 and is pretty much only making** G10** fins right now. His setup is Quad only, and I like his ideas. I have a set that I’ve been waiting to try since January. I hope to give the board a good test as soon as the next south swell arrives (this week!).

Are GG’s side fins double foiled?

just contacted sigmund freud

on the speaking with the dead

forum…he played me a recording

a soul renditon of the old song "My Girl’’

talking bout my girl…

but the words had to do

whith penis envy…

‘my fin …talking bout  My fin’

…ambrose…

seven pages 

in such a short time…

this is surely a sign

of some serious

need of therapy…

why are’nt there more 

girl designers chime ing in?

 

''lay down on the couch

when did you discover you hated your horse?‘’

wayne and schuster frontier psychiatrist 1960s

 

good to see you posting Greg

Enjoying hearing what you care to share

Warren

Nah, nevermind…

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Are GG's side fins double foiled?

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The side fins are outside-foil.

My words to describe the feel of Griff's fins in the water: Precise, and Efficient.

 


I’m pretty sure I want that board…

When you say outside foil, do you mean an asymmetric foil with the flat side facing inward toward the center of the board vs. a symmetric foil with matching curved surfaces on both sides?

Foiled on the outside

Flat on the inside

I mainly wanted to discuss these templates and how they work.

 

Greg

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Foiled on the outside

Flat on the inside

I mainly wanted to discuss these templates and how they work.

Greg

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This is swaylocks - we stick to the topic like a politician sticks to the facts LOL. 

What facts ?

i answer the question.

I joined making boards and fins in 1967.

 

Wanna fight ?

 

 

Greg

You forgot 

 

MAHALO  !!!

I think it means garbage can as its on all of them here …

BTW, I might take you up on that fight.  Can I choose my weapon?  My buddy Ken makes a mean rubber band gun!

Need a good bug weapon here.

Re: Your single fin template.Looks great…!!!..

Would it work on a 6’3" retro single fin…???..On a 8’0" egg…???..A 9’0" longboard…???..A 10’6" noserider…What sizes and types of boards is that fin designed for…???..

Does it only come in one size…???..What sizes are avaliable…???..

Any flex…???.. Why or why not…

Thickness at base…???..

Cost…???..

Ordering info…???..

 

This is my interest too.

I’m not an engineer and that’s what we’ll need, or somebody with a very solid grasp of fluid dynamics, hydrodynamics, foil theory and calculus.  I have a basic understanding of the principles involved (physics) but have forgotten most of my calculus since I learned it almost 40 years ago.

Fins are foils.  Performance will be affected by foil  surface area and shape (outline and surface curve), laminar flow, cavitation, drag, fluid density, angle of attack, pitch, yaw, stall etc.

Very generally,

  • A symmetric foil is for directional control (a rudder)

  • An asymmetric foil is for lift (a wing).

Some links:

General discussion of a hydrofoil:

http://web.mit.edu/2.972/www/reports/hydrofoil/hydrofoil.html

 

**Earlier Swaylocks discussion:**

http://www2.swaylocks.com/node/1025709

 

Foil theory:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Rv4Iep_NTAUC&pg=PA165&lpg=PA165&dq=foil+theory&source=bl&ots=Hk6cpc3GLW&sig=0TDGkhY_PA9LPimIHbLflW6ApVs&hl=en&ei=C1CkTf2FNOux0QH0tqz8CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=foil%20theory&f=false

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airfoil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrofoil

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli%27s_principle

Maybe there are some Swaylockian engineers out there who would be willing to chime in and give us some understandable technical interpretation (technology transfer) and discussion about  your fin design.

Thanks Mike - Just curious.

Greg - I am glad this sorta got on track…  I don’t know what to say about  your templates that you haven’t already said.  Lots of good knowledge there.  Thanks for sharing.

That would be nice

Hopefully they surf and have surfed the waves i have ridden where you can feel the difference quickly.

They should also contact my customers to see how many other fins they have used and how mine differ from them.

Their experiences are the most telling.

 

 

I have 7" , 8" , & 9" templates and need to find a fin maker that does not change them.
I would prefer them to be G-10 so they can be foiled fairly thin and not flexy.
9"
[IMG]http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/griffinsurfboard/SingleFin.jpg[/IMG]
8"
[IMG]http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/griffinsurfboard/SingleFin-2.jpg[/IMG]
 

 

What sizes and types of boards is that fin designed for....???....

Any flex...???... Why or why not...

Thickness at base...???...

Cost...???...

Ordering info...???...