How is the turnability of the displacement hull type board, such as the Liddle or Gross boards? Tight turning or more drawn out turns? I know that Greg Liddle makes a few templates of this type of board…have heard they are unreal boards.
How is the turnability of the displacement hull type board, such as the > Liddle or Gross boards? Tight turning or more drawn out turns? I know that > Greg Liddle makes a few templates of this type of board…have heard they > are unreal boards. to generalize, they are designed to do full on, drawn out, rail turns.messing with the template and location of wide point can change the arc/length of turn, but they will still utilize the rail to turn off of.And yes,they feel unreal!If you are thinking about getting one do it, as it will be a good addition to your quiver as well as a learning experience.Greg has a website in which you can order boards from.If you want to talk with Paul I can help you out on that one.Keep it smooth! Matt
to generalize, they are designed to do full on, drawn out, rail > turns.messing with the template and location of wide point can change the > arc/length of turn, but they will still utilize the rail to turn off > of.And yes,they feel unreal!If you are thinking about getting one do it, > as it will be a good addition to your quiver as well as a learning > experience.Greg has a website in which you can order boards from.If you > want to talk with Paul I can help you out on that one.Keep it smooth! Matt Thanks Matt. I assume by drawn out turns you more arched, wider turns. How would turning be on faster/hollower waves with smaller faces. I assume with this kind of waves you would really just trim down the line as turning might not be an issue.
Thanks Matt. I assume by drawn out turns you more arched, wider turns. How > would turning be on faster/hollower waves with smaller faces. I assume > with this kind of waves you would really just trim down the line as > turning might not be an issue. As long as the wave is a predictable peeler, they’ll love it. If the wave is more like a beach break, you won’t have as much fun…a hull requires a commitment to the turn…lay it over and stay on the edge. If something pops up half-way through the turn, they are a bitch to break the track (learn a Hawaiian pull-out). If you’ve got zippers with a nice tube, I’d get one a little narrower than standard as it will feel a little more at home in the barrel. Its kind of hard to explain in words but, you really aren’t trimming in the longboard sense. For one, you don’t have to walk around, you’re all ready standing in the trim/turn sweet spot from the start. Two, you keep it on edge to gain speed, I’m losing it here, the turn is trimming, the trim is turning. All that said, last weekend I went faster on my hull than any other board I ever ridden…two turns and I was in 4th gear, the wind actually whistling in my ears (25-30 mph) on a 4-foot wave!. The last turn was soooo long, I could feel the board flex through the apex (Damn, I sound like Dale now!). On a thruster, you can’t draw it out long enough to pick up the speed (there’d be too many fins in the water dragging). All my years on a thruster, I could never pump it up to that speed. Like Matt said, If you have the dough, you have to have one in the quiver. Newbs
How is the turnability of the displacement hull type board, such as the > Liddle or Gross boards? Tight turning or more drawn out turns? I know that > Greg Liddle makes a few templates of this type of board…have heard they > are unreal boards. Thanks Newbalonie for the info. There is a beach break in my area that will throw some nice clean tubes at you on occasion and it is a beach break. I assume the hull will still be able to perform in cleaner beach break. Seems like as long as the surf is clean, the hull has its place there? Eric
Thanks Newbalonie for the info. There is a beach break in my area that > will throw some nice clean tubes at you on occasion and it is a beach > break. I assume the hull will still be able to perform in cleaner beach > break. Seems like as long as the surf is clean, the hull has its place > there? They will “work” anywhere, just better in lined up conditions. My experience in beach breaks is that they tend to throw terrain changes (for lack of a better term) without much notice. If you are comming off a standard thruster, hulls will seem impossibly slow to react to sudden changes. Straightening out can even become a chore. But, if you are willing to commit to surfing the way the design dictates, you’ll have a blast. If you do get one, stick with it. No pain, no gain…
Thanks Matt. I assume by drawn out turns you more arched, wider turns. How > would turning be on faster/hollower waves with smaller faces. I assume > with this kind of waves you would really just trim down the line as > turning might not be an issue. bury the rail from the get-go and fly down the line!I have surfed perfect,fast hollow waves that were only knee-high at best on a 7 footer, (many times) and have had a blast-waves breaking over big, fin busting rocks, and just racing it all the way down the line skimming over the rocks.Very fun!By the way, you can turn these boards, it’s just going to be a tad different than turning a thruster.
How is the turnability of the displacement hull type board, such as the > Liddle or Gross boards? Tight turning or more drawn out turns? I know that > Greg Liddle makes a few templates of this type of board…have heard they > are unreal boards. Look like the Island template would be a killer board
yup.i have a 7’4" island template board(it’s older though.perhaps second one he made, so i don’t know if rocker on them has changed since then).anyway, it proved to be a good, all around board , from 2’ -10’ point, beach or reef break, it performed flawlessly.me, on the other hand, well let’s just say the board did all the work!so yeah,if you got one of those i would stick to around 7’4" unless the surf in your are is consistently headhigh or overhead, then get the 7’8".
yup.i have a 7’4" island template board(it’s older though.perhaps > second one he made, so i don’t know if rocker on them has changed since > then).anyway, it proved to be a good, all around board , from 2’ -10’ > point, beach or reef break, it performed flawlessly.me, on the other hand, > well let’s just say the board did all the work!so yeah,if you got one of > those i would stick to around 7’4" unless the surf in your are is > consistently headhigh or overhead, then get the 7’8". Matt, How did it handle backside surfing for you? I’m regular foot. Eric
How did it handle backside ? The board does exactly what it’s supposed to do. It goes over on a rail effortlessly. Only now you’re falling back instead of leaning into the face of the wave Some hull riders, originally goofyfoot, learned to ride regular foot in order to surf displacement hulls. Others went crazy even before the natural footed bunch. Imagine standing goofy foot in a boat going 30 mph only you’re not steering and you can’t see when the skipper makes a hard tun to the right. It feels kind of like that when surfing a hull backside. Spence
How did it handle backside ?>>> The board does exactly what it’s supposed to do. It goes over on a rail > effortlessly. Only now you’re falling back instead of leaning into the > face of the wave>>> Some hull riders, originally goofyfoot, learned to ride regular foot in > order to surf displacement hulls. Others went crazy even before the > natural footed bunch.>>> Imagine standing goofy foot in a boat going 30 mph only you’re not > steering and you can’t see when the skipper makes a hard tun to the right. > It feels kind of like that when surfing a hull backside.>>> Spence Thats a cool analogy but could you expand on that?
When riding a hull backside I often feel like the rug is being pulled out from under me. Try leaning forward onto your toes. Now try leaning back on your heels. Which way feels better? It’s much easier to steer a hull with your big toe than with your heel. I enjoy riding hulls, just not backside.>>> Thats a cool analogy but could you expand on that?
When riding a hull backside I often feel like the rug is being pulled out > from under me. Try leaning forward onto your toes. Now try leaning back on > your heels. Which way feels better? It’s much easier to steer a hull with > your big toe than with your heel.>>> I enjoy riding hulls, just not backside. Spence-perfect explanation.Besides, why go left if you don’t have to?? (ha-ha!)