Paul or Proneman So you’ve created an 8’8" paipo/belly board for, say, point waves… I think from what Paul wrote it was to be competitive with long and short boards at places where “alternative surfcraft” are either banned or severely frowned upon. The length and hullish design you’ve described is way outside of what might laughingly be considered the “norm” for this class of equipment: How does it turn? How well…how hard is it to turn…how manueverable? Hulls…I would assume in a sub-four foot foam board there might not be enough length to effectively utilize this bottom design. Memory and all the Swaylock’s info tells me hulls aren’t really turning/cutback machines (the “Simmons” board at Mandos? Not on a summer south swell weekend ;-0). How does this work on a huge bellyboard? Is it intended to be a straight-line fastball? All very interesting… Nels
After reading the details on the P.Gross/Simmons and the Paipo Grande I am blown away. Rather than push the envelope, it appears that Paul Gross has just torn it into little pieces - how refreshing!
…is there a picture of this gizmo?
…is there a picture of this gizmo? I can tell all of you is that if you have visions of what we all know as a paipo board somehow pulled out in all directions,it’s not that.template looks more like a longboard, but that’s where the similarities end.hopefully PG will get El Paipo Grande and the Simmons boards shot and posted for all to examine-works of art both…
Paul or Proneman>>> So you’ve created an 8’8" paipo/belly board for, say, point waves…>>> I think from what Paul wrote it was to be competitive with long and short > boards at places where “alternative surfcraft” are either banned > or severely frowned upon. The length and hullish design you’ve described > is way outside of what might laughingly be considered the “norm” > for this class of equipment:>>> How does it turn? How well…how hard is it to turn…how manueverable?>>> Hulls…I would assume in a sub-four foot foam board there might not be > enough length to effectively utilize this bottom design. Memory and all > the Swaylock’s info tells me hulls aren’t really turning/cutback machine > (the “Simmons” board at Mandos? Not on a summer south swell > weekend ;-0). How does this work on a huge bellyboard? Is it intended to > be a straight-line fastball? All very interesting…>>> Nels I started riding Paul’s hulls in 1993±. They reminded me of the 9-0 Dewey Webber (my first board) I had in 1963. I saw a mutual friend of ours (Tommy Trim) ride a head high wave at Malibu on his belly from the flag poles all the way to where the volley ball court used to be. He came back smiling and saying how much fun it was, so I started messing around pancaking on small waves mostly at the points. The sensation of speed and experience of being so close to the wave was intoxicating and addicting for me as well as functional in good point surf. I use my arms and legs to slow down and stay in the pocket and load up the fin for sections ahead. Once I’am down and going there is an element of risk of drop ins etc., so not being able to cut back quickly or kick out can be a problem. Usually a quick jump up gets me out of trouble. Anyway, having been bellyriding about 75% of the time for the last 4-6 years led me to inquire about a board made exclusively for this. I let Paul run with it and the EPG was born. As Malibu(1st.point) is where I surf most, Paul figured I would not want to give up any wave catching ability, so he made it 8-8. It does not cut back quickly or easily, but in beach break, if I don’t make it through a section, I just get pushed and slide down to the botton probably like one of Dale’s surf mats. It has a fair amount of entry rocker so you can take off late on a bit of an angle and not worry about it pearling. Last Sunday at low tide Rincon the thing was getting sucked through sand barrels at what seemed like illegal speeds!! Once you get it paralel to a good point wave, other than maybe dragging a couple of limbs to slow it down, you just become a delighted passenger.
5 ft. @ 17 seconds and 290 degrees. Ventura Point on dark. PG Simmons board 2 waves from the showers west of the free parking lot to the Holiday Inn. Oh man, what kicks! http://www.spencesurfboards.com/pg_simmons.html
Once I’am down and going there is an > element of risk of drop ins etc., so not being able to cut back quickly or > kick out can be a problem. Usually a quick jump up gets me out of trouble. Whack me on the head and pardon my rigid thinking…I still must be locked into ancient thought processes of shortness…I’m assuming you mean quick jump to your feet? Didn’t even cross my mind but now so obvious; stand and crank when necessary or possible and it expands the boundaries. Outstanding, so to speak. And me the guy who once wrote that the best kneeride I’ve ever had was on a 7’10" hybrid.
I started riding Paul’s hulls in 1993±. They reminded me of the 9-0 Dewey > Webber (my first board) I had in 1963.>>> I saw a mutual friend of ours (Tommy Trim) ride a head high wave at Malibu > on his belly from the flag poles all the way to where the volley ball > court used to be. He came back smiling and saying how much fun it was, so > I started messing around pancaking on small waves mostly at the points.>>> The sensation of speed and experience of being so close to the wave was > intoxicating and addicting for me as well as functional in good point > surf. I use my arms and legs to slow down and stay in the pocket and load > up the fin for sections ahead. Once I’am down and going there is an > element of risk of drop ins etc., so not being able to cut back quickly or > kick out can be a problem. Usually a quick jump up gets me out of trouble.>>> Anyway, having been bellyriding about 75% of the time for the last 4-6 > years led me to inquire about a board made exclusively for this. I let > Paul run with it and the EPG was born. As Malibu(1st.point) is where I > surf most, Paul figured I would not want to give up any wave catching > ability, so he made it 8-8.>>> It does not cut back quickly or easily, but in beach break, if I don’t > make it through a section, I just get pushed and slide down to the botton > probably like one of Dale’s surf mats. It has a fair amount of entry > rocker so you can take off late on a bit of an angle and not worry about > it pearling.>>> Last Sunday at low tide Rincon the thing was getting sucked through sand > barrels at what seemed like illegal speeds!! Once you get it paralel to a > good point wave, other than maybe dragging a couple of limbs to slow it > down, you just become a delighted passenger. Pancaking??? bellyriding?? on a what??? how f
n tricky. I was going to say gutless- but not me. denial and hallucinations = having fun????? and way beyond feeling any guilt meaning this is what its finally come down to. BTW-- what shaping??? somewhere miki dora and old bob simmons are rollin over in his graves!!!!! WTF-- WHATS NEXT???? heyits a bitch but ive decided its time to move and go surfin somewhere else before it all gets any W E I R D E R!!! all the big money`s overseas anyway. LOL SoCal!!!
heyits a bitch but > ive decided its time to move and go surfin somewhere else before it all > gets any W E I R D E R!!!!! all the big moneys overseas anyway. LOL > SoCal!!! Good luck. Hope you’ll be happy. http://www.yourdictionary.com/ahd/s/s0915100.html
heyits a bitch but>>> Good luck. Hope you’ll be happy. In every photo I
ve ever seen of Bob Simmons, he was on his feet while riding. Because of that, wouldnt it be reasonable that such a long surfboard, when used as a belly board, could be shaped thinner? More sensitivity and faster. When prone, a rider`s weight is much more widely distributed than when standing. Rather than dragging your arms and legs, have you tried turning up the face and drifting/sideslipping as a means of stalling? Great thread!