Hey you guys, I have another problem with Epoxy Pro again. He no do anything to fix problem. I go back, back in forth with Javier, but he no retrn or fix my board!!! Do any one here do reparations on epoxy boards. I can no use polyester on it , it will melt the foam you know. What is up with Javier? I heard he used to repair delaminations. He basically told me to fix it myself. I don’t think that is right, that is no good business.
I have an epoxy pro glass job-very sub par . totally pressure dinged.
El Tiburon, bring it down to Encinitas to me, I have Greg’s resin and will help you out.
Jim, do you contract glass epoxy?
Ha ha, another reason epoxy is not for surfboards.
Gee, I never knew that resin had anything to do with business practice. I guess everyday is a learning experience.
Yeah, seems like epoxy gets blamed for a lot of things these days… “Epoxy boards are too stiff” – not the fault of the resin “Epoxy boards are too corky” – not the fault of the resin “Epoxy boards delam too easily” – not the fault of the resin “Epoxy is too hard to work with” – not the fault of the resin “pop-outs suck…” – has nothing to do with epoxy resin And now, epoxy sucks because a shop uses bad business practices. Amazing…
Epoxy resin sucks because regular resin wont stick to it, it sucks because even the new epoxy GL sells turns yellow, epoxy sucks because it aint really that much stronger than polyester, epoxy sucks because when you try to sand it it melts, epoxy sucks because it takes too long to cure, epoxy sucks because you cant sink FCS fin plugs with it, epoxy sucks because no one wants to fix the dings on them, epoxy sucks because you cant sell these boards to the general public with a straight face. Is this enough or should I go on?
Not sure of what the individual circumstances of the alleged defects are so if I am off base I would beg your pardon, but in general I would be really hesitant to assign fault on the part of a manufacturer for things like delams, etc. I have seen far too many claims from people who acted like their boards were supposed to be indestructable and subjected them to things which would rationally not be considered as normal use. In one case a 300lb guy who basically could not surf bought a board and tried to learn on it. He knee paddled it, took a bunch of wipes, etc (one of the shop guys actually saw this) and basically then got disgusted and gave up altogether. Then he “returned” the board with the typical pressure dings which one would expect given the circumstances and tried to say it was faulty. Under the guise of getting an estimate for a cosmetic repair he left it at the shop, then promptly reported to the credit card company that the shop had “taken his board back” becuase it was defective. The shop then had the price of the board deducted from their receipts that month from the credit card company. So the guy got a free “learner board” to abuse until he was tired of it and the shop lost their profit. I guess the question is how responsible is the manufacturer for damage to a product which admittedly is built to be as light as possible and sooner or later is bound to deteriorate? As a friend of mine would say “it all depend on whose ox is being gored”. Greg, what do you have to say on this subject?
Unbeleivable. Catch up dude. Why does polyester need to stick to epoxy? Epoxy is more resistant to yellowing than todays polyesters, I’ve done the studies. Epoxy containing additive F sands as well as polyesters. Cure times of RR fast is as fast as standard polyester resins. Epoxies are significantly stronger than polyesters and much more versatile. We make resins with three different flex patterns. Do the polyester manufacturers? I’ve never had a problem putting in FCS plugs, what’s your problem. I know people in every town on the east coast who do ding repairs on them. And finally, I’ve sold epoxy boards for 20 years. I’m not going to tell you that we’ve never had our challenges, we have. But todays epoxy is much different from what we used even just a few years ago. And many of the issues you and Anton raised have to do with the foam, not the resin. Understanding the correct uses for different foams is another subject altogether and does not concern the resin at all. Understanding the difference between the qualities of epoxy laminates and polyester laminates is something you obviously have yet to realize. Every high performance composite piece of sports equipment today is made with epoxy accept surfboards! Now, you want to discuss the environmental and worker health related reasons why epoxies should be used? Or need I go on.
And why don’t you post under your real name… wimp!
His name is Mark. This guy can’t even surf. Total poser. Must be a slow day at McKooklins.
MKIA seems to have a real 'hard on" about epoxy boards------perhaps a closed mind or bad experiences? personally, i will NOT buy another polyester board, the proberties of all the epoxy boards that i have had made for me are simply GREAT----hey, drag yourself into the new century…
It’s an awful thing that the small minded, local surf politics of this nasty, little, podunk town would creep onto one of the best surf sites on the web. MKIA needs to learn that not all is black or white and everyone’s opinion should be respected. This site is for communication and assistance to others of like mind. Not for the spewing hate based rhetoric.
The new epoxies are an absolute joy to work with. No mask,no ordor, no surprise gel times, easy clean up,variety of flex, no gloss required, can be used with Clark foam, and relatively easy sanding. As Greg stated,the new epoxies are vastly different than those of a few years ago. Patrick
John is absolutely right. I apologize for the wimp comment. I’m afraid this was a reaction to some former posts by Mr. MKIA.
I’ve never tried epoxy, but posts like Patrick’s make me want to try it, anyway. I’m going to don my respirator and glass 2 boards this weekend and I already have supplies to do it the old-fashioned way. But maybe next time… does Mitch’s or anybody else in San Diego even sell this stuff?
Hello Greg. Hey I’ve done a lot of work with epoxy, mostly in building canoes and longboard skateboards, and I’ve found a brand, Fiber-Tek, that works for me. The problem is it is yellowy in colour. Now that is fine when it’s going over a cedar-strip canoe or with a layer of glass between plys of a longskate, but I’ve tried a piece of foam with it, and the yellow tinge is quite noticable. How clear is your brand? And do you have any distributors along British Columbia’s west coast? Or in Northern Washington state? Anyways, hoping you can help me here. Maybe post back or email me at That would be awesome man.
when i said i had a problem with epoxy pro it was because of poor workmanship not EPOXY!!! Epoxy is really a superior product by far.I work with epoxy everyday on boats very few peaple working on yachts use polyester. It is basically a dated material.Greg and clyde beatty are really on top of this–just to make it very clear.
MKIA is a real punk attitude little sh*T.It’s obvious